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View Poll Results: Which of these are part of the West?
Anglo America: Canada and USA 70 88.61%
Australia and New Zealand 61 77.22%
Europe – Eastern Europe and the Balkans (excl. former USSR) 28 35.44%
Europe – Northern Europe, incl. Germany and the United Kingdom 70 88.61%
Europe – Southern Europe, incl. France, Greece, Italy, and Space 66 83.54%
Europe – Former Soviet Union, incl. Russia and Ukraine 8 10.13%
Israel 27 34.18%
Japan 11 13.92%
Latin America - Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, and Uruguay 27 34.18%
Latin America – Brazil 25 31.65%
Latin America – Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Venezuela 25 31.65%
Latin America – Mexico, Central America, and Spanish Caribbean 25 31.65%
Philippines 3 3.80%
South Africa 9 11.39%
Turkey 3 3.80%
Others not listed here (specify in comments) 6 7.59%
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Old 09-18-2021, 11:35 PM
 
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I'd love to hear folks' thoughts on the nebulous term "The West" or "Western World"? Who do you consider to be part of it? Is it a proxy for White? for Christian? For democracies?

Below are different regional groupings that could qualify under various broad definitions. Please vote for those you think ARE Western. If there is a particular country/region missing, please comment on it.

• Anglo America: Canada and USA
• Australia and New Zealand
• Europe – Eastern Europe and the Balkans (excl. former USSR)
• Europe – Northern Europe, incl. Germany and the United Kingdom
• Europe – Southern Europe, incl. France, Greece, Italy, and Space
• Europe – Former Soviet Union, incl. Russia and Ukraine
• Israel
• Japan
• Latin America - Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, and Uruguay
• Latin America – Brazil
• Latin America – Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Venezuela
• Latin America – Mexico, Central America, and Spanish Caribbean
• Philippines
• South Africa
• Turkey
• Others not listed here (specify in comments)
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Old 09-23-2021, 12:30 AM
 
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Originally Posted by manitopiaaa View Post
I'd love to hear folks' thoughts on the nebulous term "The West" or "Western World"? Who do you consider to be part of it? Is it a proxy for White? for Christian? For democracies?

Below are different regional groupings that could qualify under various broad definitions. Please vote for those you think ARE Western. If there is a particular country/region missing, please comment on it.

• Anglo America: Canada and USA
• Australia and New Zealand
• Europe – Eastern Europe and the Balkans (excl. former USSR)
• Europe – Northern Europe, incl. Germany and the United Kingdom
• Europe – Southern Europe, incl. France, Greece, Italy, and Space
• Europe – Former Soviet Union, incl. Russia and Ukraine
• Israel
• Japan
• Latin America - Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, and Uruguay
• Latin America – Brazil
• Latin America – Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Venezuela
• Latin America – Mexico, Central America, and Spanish Caribbean
• Philippines
• South Africa
• Turkey
• Others not listed here (specify in comments)
Japan is a developed modernized ASIAN country because it's located IN ASIA. What on earth have you been smoking?
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Old 09-23-2021, 07:16 AM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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I really don't understand those who include JAPAN in the West and exclude Latin America.
The West is a cultural concept and opposes the East, it's not the same as developed economies!
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Old 09-23-2021, 07:29 AM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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I'd love to hear folks' thoughts on the nebulous term "The West" or "Western World"? Who do you consider to be part of it? Is it a proxy for White? for Christian? For democracies?
"The West" is a proxy for Europe and European-influenced, as "The East" is for Asia, though we have to keep in mind the strong difference between "Middle East" and "Far East", which are culturally distinct of each other as both are from the West.

Therefore, all the European-influenced countries - i.e. Christian and speakers of indo-european or uralic languages - could be grouped in the West. That includes all the Americas (north and south), Australia, NZ, and I go even further: most of subsaharian Africa should be considered Western as well, because they fit this definition.

Russia is also a Western country: most of its population is in the European part, it's mostly Christian (both religious and culturally), speaks officialy and overwhelmingly an indo-european language. And more than this, the art, music and classical literature of Russia are remarkedly Western. What prevents it to be considered fully as "Western" is only geopolitics, which change from times to times. They are in an analogue situation of Japan, which is an ally of Europe and USA but it's an Eastern country; and more than this, one of the quintessential eastern countries.
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Old 09-23-2021, 08:00 AM
 
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The West = Anglophone + Western Europe + Israel
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Old 09-23-2021, 08:01 AM
 
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I really don't understand those who include JAPAN in the West and exclude Latin America.
They are clueless, and forget about Latin America, which is a clear subset within the Western culture. If you had to make a list of countries which definitely don’t belong to the West, Japan is one of the best examples: non-Abrahamic background, a unique writing system, long time of isolation that brought a set of unique traditions and customs, etc.
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Old 09-23-2021, 09:12 AM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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The West = Anglophone + Western Europe + Israel
Based on which criteria?
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Old 09-23-2021, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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Based on which criteria?
Reasonable criteria: culture + economy + values.

Culture eliminates East Asia.

Economy eliminates Latin America and Eastern Europe.

Values eliminate all authoritarian governments.

Last edited by Greysholic; 09-23-2021 at 09:54 AM..
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Old 09-23-2021, 09:57 AM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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It’s complicated and not necessarily connected to geography. Culture, political institutions and standard of living all come into play.
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Old 09-23-2021, 10:12 AM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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Reasonable criteria: culture + economy + values.

Culture eliminates East Asia.

Economy eliminates Latin America and Eastern Europe.

Values eliminate all authoritarian governments.
Economy and government changes from times to times.
How about Poland, Estonia, Czechia? 30 years ago they were not western but now they are, according to your concept. Same for Italy, Germany, Portugal and Spain 80 years ago. And how about Israel, which is culturally distinct of both Europe and Anglosphere?
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