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Old 08-05-2009, 05:06 PM
 
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Say New Zealand, Ireland, or Australia?

 
Old 08-05-2009, 06:30 PM
 
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I'm sure you could. But why would you even want to?

New Zealand, Ireland and Australia all allow dual-citizenship. You don't have to give up your US citizenship to become citizens of these countries. The only advantage I could see in giving up your US citizenship is that you wouldn't have to keep doing tax returns each year. But that hardly seems worth it to me.
 
Old 08-05-2009, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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I'm sure you could. But why would you even want to?

New Zealand, Ireland and Australia all allow dual-citizenship. You don't have to give up your US citizenship to become citizens of these countries. The only advantage I could see in giving up your US citizenship is that you wouldn't have to keep doing tax returns each year. But that hardly seems worth it to me.
I'm fairly certain even then you aren't exempt from paying us taxes until 10 years after renunciation of citizenship.
 
Old 08-05-2009, 08:45 PM
 
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I'm fairly certain even then you aren't exempt from paying us taxes until 10 years after renunciation of citizenship.
What could they possibly do to you?
 
Old 08-05-2009, 08:49 PM
 
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Say New Zealand, Ireland, or Australia?
I believe it is easier if you become a citizen of a country that forces you to renounce your home citizenship.
 
Old 08-05-2009, 09:06 PM
 
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I'm fairly certain even then you aren't exempt from paying us taxes until 10 years after renunciation of citizenship.
This is my main concern. If this is true, then there's no point even considering a move.
 
Old 08-05-2009, 09:32 PM
 
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I'm fairly certain even then you aren't exempt from paying us taxes until 10 years after renunciation of citizenship.
Wow! I had to look that up to see it for myself.
Expatriation Tax (http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=97245,00.html - broken link)

From my reading of these rules, you have to make sure that you do not spend more than 30 days in the US in any given year for the next decade after renunciation (if you do, they want you to pay tax on your global income for the whole year!). Renunciation prior to June 3, 2004 looks like it was even worse. They could accuse you (and presumably charge you) with tax avoidance just for renouncing your US citizenship if you earned over a certain amount. If you have not been obeying their tax rules for the 10 years after renunciation they can refuse you entry back into the country.

I had no idea any country could impose rules like these on non-citizens
 
Old 08-05-2009, 09:40 PM
 
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Say New Zealand, Ireland, or Australia?
The renunciation part of your quest is fairly straight forward and the process is described here: http://www.travel.state.gov/law/citi...nship_776.html


As mentioned in the above article, renunciation does not exempt you from tax or military obligations.

An explanation of your tax obligations can be found here Expatriation Tax (http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=97245,00.html - broken link)




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Old 08-05-2009, 09:42 PM
 
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What could they possibly do to you?

They could seize any assets you currently hold under US control and could file criminal charges which could affect any attempt to re-enter the US
 
Old 08-05-2009, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Bike to Surf!
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The harder part would be becoming a citizen of NZ, AUS, or Ireland. You can't just fly on over, get a job, and viola! become a citizen.
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