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Old 06-24-2012, 09:57 PM
 
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Why would anybody blame the Obama Administration for something that was started in the Bush Administration? I suppose you have access to the docuents that weren't released so you know when the actual guns involved in that shoot out were allowed to be shipped. And do you have anything that says the guns found there were the wapons used to kill anyone? You even admit no one knows the facts and then draw a conclusion that isn't supported by those missing facts. And where did the second Agent come from? Everything that has been said states one individual. Normally you aren't that confused.



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Holder just got a protective order from Obama about the "Fast and Furious" where he lied to Congress and nobody knows (the public) what that is about because the national news isn't carrying it either. In Water Gate, Nixon was in trouble for breaking into the Democrat's headquarters and lying about it and people went to jail and it brought down his Presidency, but nobody was killed.

In "Fast and Furious", because of what the ATF was doing, two U.S. Federal Agents were killed and hundreds of Mexican's because the Obama Administration let guns go to Mexico so they would end up in crimes where they could blame American gun laws. That way he could legislate tighter gun controls on the American People, it just backfired and Holder got caught and now Obama is covering for him as well.
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Fast and Furious did not happen during the previous administration. Yes, there was a war on drugs going on before the Obama administration, but the arms given to the Mexicans recently were provided by this administration. One can say that everything is related to the War on Drugs, but Past and Furious is a recent event.

By the way, now several of us are being monitored by the FBI because of the term "F. & F."

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Old 06-24-2012, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Anchorage
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I wouldn't want to bet on that. The national press echoed that story line and left out Tina Fey's name as the "Author" and on the blogs that is all you heard "What Palin Said". Would be nice if most did know the facts, but we have so many sheep here in America, they rarely know anything outside what the national press feeds them.

Holder just got a protective order from Obama about the "Fast and Furious" where he lied to Congress and nobody knows (the public) what that is about because the national news isn't carrying it either. In Water Gate, Nixon was in trouble for breaking into the Democrat's headquarters and lying about it and people went to jail and it brought down his Presidency, but nobody was killed.

In "Fast and Furious", because of what the ATF was doing, two U.S. Federal Agents were killed and hundreds of Mexican's because the Obama Administration let guns go to Mexico so they would end up in crimes where they could blame American gun laws. That way he could legislate tighter gun controls on the American People, it just backfired and Holder got caught and now Obama is covering for him as well.

Nope, I would bet most Americans think Palin said that famous line, just read the threads here.
I read a lot of threads here, and you are the one who started the thread about it. What I find particularily annoying are those who really thought the "bridge to nowhere" really was to nowhere. Alaska has so little infrastructure, and that doesn't help.
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:42 AM
 
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I have no idea who Todd Palin is as a person. But he's no spectacular fisherman -- he has a set net operation for god's sake, and there isn't much of a record of his having spent much time actually working on the slope. That was all pumped, just like his supposed Native status was (he is not a recognized member of any tribe). Although I wish him well in whatever he decides to do with his life, reality television is the forte of cultural clowns.

How on God's green earth can anyone refer to reality television performers as "hard working"? I don't begrudge them the money, but by the same token, the average fast food employee works harder than they do.

I also doubt that they rake it in to the extent that some here seem to believe. Most reality shows are simply flashes in overused pans anymore. Not everyone is paid on the same scale as the ghastly Kardashians.

Somehow, I just don't see this working out well for Todd, and on a personal level, I wish something better for him.
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Old 06-25-2012, 01:16 AM
 
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I read a lot of threads here, and you are the one who started the thread about it. What I find particularily annoying are those who really thought the "bridge to nowhere" really was to nowhere. Alaska has so little infrastructure, and that doesn't help.
She lost SE the day she sold us out to further her *cough* political career.

Hell, I don't care if they ever put in a bridge to Gravina, but most people who opposed the bridge never knew the realities involved in navigating the Bataan death march to the Ketch. airport.

As far a Senator Lisa being a proponent of the bridge because her family owns land on Gravina, there are those who believe that her reasons for doing so is that a bridge would increase property values on the island. Funny thing is, though, that the reason land's become so expensive over there is precisely because there is no easily available public access. I know old Ray's spouted off a time or two about how a bridge would be self-serving to the Murks and others, but he's putting interior standards on seafaring community. We've never let little things like not being able to drive to a place stop us. Most prime real estate in SE has no road access whatsoever.

However, it's only a matter of time before an elder has a cardiac arrest crawling up that ramp to the airport. For health and safety reasons, the bridge was a good idea.
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Old 06-25-2012, 08:40 AM
 
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Fast and Furious did not happen during the previous administration. Yes, there was a war on drugs going on before the Obama administration, but the arms given to the Mexicans recently were provided by this administration. One can say that everything is related to the War on Drugs, but Past and Furious is a recent event.
And in the thousands of pages of released material I'm absolutely certain you've read closely to make the above statement of pure conjecture could you furnish a citation to your statement? The name "F&S" maybe recent but the actions have been stated by even the opponents of the present administration as having taken place over some prior unstated period of time. I could say the gun Cheny used to shoot the lawyer in Texas was from "F&S" and you'd claim it was part of Obama's doings wouldn't you? According to your view everything that you don't agree with is part and parcel of Obama's administration. Get real Ray you don't know much about this event and everyone knows that to be the only fact ever tied to your name that is possibly true.
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Old 06-25-2012, 10:22 PM
 
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=Metlakatla;24890785]She lost SE the day she sold us out to further her *cough* political career.

Hell, I don't care if they ever put in a bridge to Gravina, but most people who opposed the bridge never knew the realities involved in navigating the Bataan death march to the Ketch. airport.

However, it's only a matter of time before an elder has a cardiac arrest crawling up that ramp to the airport. For health and safety reasons, the bridge was a good idea.
Having crawled up that ramp one time after taking the small ferry across I can agree that it should be renamed "Heart Attack Hump". But the part that got me concerned was when I spoke to one of the AA pilots and we got talking about the Bridge to There he pointed out all the fire equipment was across the channel and would take some time to get to the airport if it was needed. That brings up the question; which would be cheaper building the bridge or burying a plane load of Alaskans after the possible crash? Any answers?
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:35 AM
 
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I've never watched a reality show. This confirms that I'm not missing a thing.
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