Arizona Budget (renting, private schools, teacher salaries)

[Pennies4Penny]

They passed a budget. Doesn't look great.

Legislature passes state budget after all-night debate

[corydon]

The budget cuts nearly $100 million from state schools

That wil get you from number 49 to 50....... It makes for cheap labor though....

[johnp292]

This is what happens when you Keep voting in the Republicans.

[Bruce Jackpot]

Originally Posted by johnp292

This is what happens when you Keep voting in the Republicans.

Utah spends among the least but has great outcomes. But they're kinda a special case being a more homogenous, religious, family oriented place.

But hearing what teachers make here is disgraceful. Someone just posted a thread on it. Want to teach in Arizona (coming from NJ)

[Pennies4Penny]

Originally Posted by johnp292

This is what happens when you Keep voting in the Republicans.

Yet they never learn.

Originally Posted by Bruce Jackpot

Utah spends among the least but has great outcomes. But they're kinda a special case being a more homogenous, religious, family oriented place.

But hearing what teachers make here is disgraceful. Someone just posted a thread on it. Want to teach in Arizona (coming from NJ)

Teacher salaries are despicable. No one working full time, especially with an advanced degree, should qualify for food stamps.

[AZCards]

Originally Posted by Bruce Jackpot

Utah spends among the least but has great outcomes.

I've attended Utah Schools and they are a joke. I wouldn't call churning out poorly Educated drones a great outcome.

[Bruce Jackpot]

Originally Posted by Pennies4Penny

Teacher salaries are despicable. No one working full time, especially with an advanced degree, should qualify for food stamps.

I don't have children but I would be personnally upset if my child had a good teacher then learning his or her's compensation is 30-35K or whatever. And the teachers financial struggles could bring a lot of personal stress from outside into the classroom affecting the students.

[Bruce Jackpot]

Originally Posted by AZCards

I've attended Utah Schools and they are a joke. I wouldn't call churning out poorly Educated drones a great outcome.

I've read some sources (not on hand) that their public K-12 has good outcomes. Meaning high testing scores. They spend less but get more is what I read into it. Their teachers are probably underpaid just like AZ, but the students, it seems, excel more. I think this is less about the school/teacher and more about good parenting and coming from an educated family.

California spends a lot on k-12 education but is ranked near the bottom when it comes to outcomes. Poor testing results, high drop out rate etc.

So good outcomes don't always correlate with money spent per pupil. But I don't like to see teachers underpaid or grossly overpaid. But I'd rather teachers in Arizona be slightly "overpaid" to some than struggling to pay their bills on time and bringing additional stress into the classroom.

Crazy how teachers pay and funding for k-12 education can vary wildly from state to state.

[Pennies4Penny]

Originally Posted by Bruce Jackpot

I've read some sources (not on hand) that their public K-12 has good outcomes. Meaning high testing scores. They spend less but get more is what I read into it. Their teachers are probably underpaid just like AZ, but the students, it seems, excel more. I think this is less about the school/teacher and more about good parenting and coming from an educated family.

California spends a lot on k-12 education but is ranked near the bottom when it comes to outcomes. Poor testing results, high drop out rate etc.

So good outcomes don't always correlate with money spent per pupil. But I don't like to see teachers underpaid or grossly overpaid. But I'd rather teachers in Arizona be slightly "overpaid" to some than struggling to pay their bills on time and bringing additional stress into the classroom.

Crazy how teachers pay and funding for k-12 education can vary wildly from state to state.

I looked it up and Utah ranks in the middle at 21. Not too bad. There is plenty of money out there to pay teachers a good wage, but our politicians would rather spend it on other things, like private prisons. Arizona is dead last on spending per srudent, around $8000. It is true that more money doesn't always mean a better outcome, but it definitely helps. You still need strong curriculum, happy, hard working teachers, involved parents and a supportive administration.

[Valley Native]

Public schools themselves are the problem, and we can't keep throwing money at the problem because that solves nothing, and ends up being even more of a costly burden. The solution is to turn the schools over to the private sector, and have the parents with kids in the schools flip the bill. Education should be run like a business ... but the way it is now with the government running it, it's the same old story: costly, inefficient, and poor results in the end. Also, teachers who are currently in the public sector would do better to find work in the private schools because they generally pay better.