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Sadly, you are not alone. Too many share your selfish viewpoint and that is the reason why the US children are no longer competitive with even those in developing Communist countries. Until the "me" generation took over, we valued education. The school was the nicest building in town next to the bank. Folks pitched in with the expectation that it would be better for those who followed than it was for themselves. Today, it's all about selfishness, trading in the hopes of the next generations so you boomers can have a few more bucks to spend on the golf course or the buffet or waste in the Indian casinos. Your generation has always been self-indulgent and irresponsible. When you are gone, the US will be a better place.
This person is going on 70 years old and paid his/her dues....what is this..Today yes, not 68 years ago....
This person is going on 70 years old and paid his/her dues....what is this..Today yes, not 68 years ago....
I am sick of retirees moving here and opposing everything that would make this state a better place for those of us who still have to live here after they have "passed". Their attitudes, like yours, that they have done enough are ruining this state. I would like to see Arizona be a decent place with quality education and opportunity for its citizens. I don't like these people coming here and denying to our citizens the same privileges they and their children enjoyed in wherever they came from. How many threads do we see where people remark that AZ is near last in education? Retirees coming down here and voting against every education initiative is part of the reason we are near last. Education matters to newcomers, to businesses that look to move here, to educated people considering employment here. It is important to the well-being of our state. Skinflint, me-first, retirees are worse than the illegals in my book. They don't give a damn about Arizona and want it run as their low-tax playground. Sorry, that is the way I feel and I am not changing my opinion about it.
Last edited by Ponderosa; 03-12-2010 at 06:28 PM..
Is it selfish for someone to want to work hard and provide for his family?
The true definition of selfish is being irresponsible, making bad choices or sitting on your bum and expecting me or anybody else to pay for it.
Time and time again I see it with the new generation an attitude of self loathing and self pity. They expect everything to be handed to them and aren't willing or motivated to work for it. Even just recently my freinds 20 year old son and pregnant girlfriend were gloating about how they are getting WIC, welfare and foodstamps. Oh, and by the way, the new foodstamps are a nifty little credit card. Anyway, selfishness is expecting the taxpayer to rear and raise your children. I would much rather have a country full of "George's" (the OP) than this new generation that can't even take care of themselves let alone children that they bring into this world.
Huh, imagine that, a country where people were responsible for their own actions. We can only hope.
I am sick of retirees moving here and opposing everything that would make this state a better place for those of us who still have to live here after they have "passed". Their attitudes, like yours, that they have done enough are ruining this state. I would like to see Arizona be a decent place with quality education and opportunity for its citizens. I don't like these people coming here and denying to our citizens the same privileges they and their children enjoyed in wherever they came from. How many threads do we see where people remark that AZ is near last in education? Retirees coming down here and voting against every education initiative is part of the reason we are near last. Education matters to newcomers, to businesses that look to move here, to educated people considering employment here. It is important to the well-being of our state. Skinflint, me-first, retirees are worse than the illegals in my book. They don't give a damn about Arizona and want it run as their low-tax playground. Sorry, that is the way I feel and I am not changing my opinion about it.
I am not arguing with you, but that post was saying he took matters into his own hands with his kids education and got through then, which was hard for him/her. There was no government education in a lot of places then. The small town I grew up in with my parents being the same age only had a Catholic school until I was in the 6th grade, then a public, government-funded school was built, they had no choice but to fund my education or my brothers at that time. Don't tell me where I stand, you have no clue. I commend this guy for doing what he felt was best for his kids at that time on a minimal salary. He sacrificed to pay for his kids education, rather than expecting someone else to pay for it, which would not have happened.
Arizona has long been a retiree state, no ifs, ands or buts. It has hurt the state catering to retirees. I am raising a 12-year-old granddaughter at 54, I am not retired or close. I have no problems supporting or paying for education and raising the standards from where we are now for the kids and teachers who need to teach them in this state so more young families can move here without asking about education. I totally agree that Arizona needs to invest in the young as they are the future and keep them here rather than them going elsewhere. I think we need to give up on retirees that have no claim and want to live cheaply, and go forward for us, and our kids and the future of this state. Now, please do not assume where I stand without asking first.
I am not arguing with you, but that post was saying he took matters into his own hands with his kids education and got through then, which was hard for him/her. There was no government education in a lot of places then. The small town I grew up in with my parents being the same age only had a Catholic school until I was in the 6th grade, then a public, government-funded school was built, they had no choice but to fund my education or my brothers at that time. Don't tell me where I stand, you have no clue. I commend this guy for doing what he felt was best for his kids at that time on a minimal salary. He sacrificed to pay for his kids education, rather than expecting someone else to pay for it, which would not have happened.
Arizona has long been a retiree state, no ifs, ands or buts. It has hurt the state catering to retirees. I am raising a 12-year-old granddaughter at 54, I am not retired or close. I have no problems supporting or paying for education and raising the standards from where we are now for the kids and teachers who need to teach them in this state so more young families can move here without asking about education. I totally agree that Arizona needs to invest in the young as they are the future and keep them here rather than them going elsewhere. I think we need to give up on retirees that have no claim and want to live cheaply, and go forward for us, and our kids and the future of this state. Now, please do not assume where I stand without asking first.
Huh? You must be misinterpreting something I said. The "attitude" I refered to was your apparent support of the notion that when someone reaches the age of 68, they have already given enough and should have the right to stand in the way of education and progress in a state they have never lived and will probably not even be buried. I could have been more clear in my post.
But I still don't agree with your position. I might be more sympathetic to a retiree who had lived, worked and "paid his dues" in THIS state. As you recognize, we have serious issues in Arizona. We need more shoulders to the wheel, not more freight on the wagon.
Last edited by Ponderosa; 03-13-2010 at 06:21 AM..
Has anyone actually read the document? In there they will be taking 2.75% from our paychecks PLUS another 5% on top of that PLUS furlough days? How many employers can do that and retain employees? We will never get that money back and that will affect retirement benefits. This pay reduction will take upwards of $1.50 per hour reduction in pay. BUT we MAY get to keep our job. How is the moral of the employees going to be after losing that much income?
Has anyone actually read the document? In there they will be taking 2.75% from our paychecks PLUS another 5% on top of that PLUS furlough days? How many employers can do that and retain employees? We will never get that money back and that will affect retirement benefits. This pay reduction will take upwards of $1.50 per hour reduction in pay. BUT we MAY get to keep our job. How is the moral of the employees going to be after losing that much income?
What would you have them do? In private industry demand for goods and services drops in a recession, so it follows that fewer employees are needed to provide them. Demand for many government services does not respond in the same way. In fact, some government services face increased demand in hard times. If they let you go, they can't meet the needs. If they fail to provide services or attempt to raise taxes, they face the wrath of the voters. The low-hanging fruit is to cut your pay trying to provide the same service at less cost. They run the risk of you leaving, but the risk is manageable - where are you going to find another job? I am sure you hear this all the time, but the truth is you are fortunate that you have a job. There are millions who would trade places with you.
I am sick of retirees moving here and opposing everything that would make this state a better place for those of us who still have to live here after they have "passed". Their attitudes, like yours, that they have done enough are ruining this state. I would like to see Arizona be a decent place with quality education and opportunity for its citizens. I don't like these people coming here and denying to our citizens the same privileges they and their children enjoyed in wherever they came from. How many threads do we see where people remark that AZ is near last in education? Retirees coming down here and voting against every education initiative is part of the reason we are near last. Education matters to newcomers, to businesses that look to move here, to educated people considering employment here. It is important to the well-being of our state. Skinflint, me-first, retirees are worse than the illegals in my book. They don't give a damn about Arizona and want it run as their low-tax playground. Sorry, that is the way I feel and I am not changing my opinion about it.
Hmmmm......
My parents' generation said that same thing about us now middle aged Baby Boomers that we were no good, etc. Older people used to say that about the Jitter Bug crowd prior to WW II. And us Boomers think that way too many of the Gen Xers are useless. Oftentimes the reality is different than perception. People do tend to grow up and take personal responsibility.
The more things change; the more they remain the same.
I am sick of retirees moving here and opposing everything that would make this state a better place for those of us who still have to live here after they have "passed". Their attitudes, like yours, that they have done enough are ruining this state. I would like to see Arizona be a decent place with quality education and opportunity for its citizens. I don't like these people coming here and denying to our citizens the same privileges they and their children enjoyed in wherever they came from. How many threads do we see where people remark that AZ is near last in education? Retirees coming down here and voting against every education initiative is part of the reason we are near last. Education matters to newcomers, to businesses that look to move here, to educated people considering employment here. It is important to the well-being of our state. Skinflint, me-first, retirees are worse than the illegals in my book. They don't give a damn about Arizona and want it run as their low-tax playground. Sorry, that is the way I feel and I am not changing my opinion about it.
Well not all seniors feel the way some do. I'll pay my share for education and other state services. My state taxes here are a quarter of what they would be where I came from and I feel I get good value for my dollar.
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