Pima County Sheriff Dupnik Wont Enforce The Law (tax, shop)

[LordBalfor]

Originally Posted by xwideopenskyx

You have a problem with being required to prove your citizenship?
And you are planning on moving to southern Arizona? Are you serious?
Here is a reality check for you, new anti-illegal immigration law or not BP can pull you over for no reason at all to check your citizenship, irregardless of what color you are. That is part of life here in the borderlands. I've been here less than 4 years and lost count how many times I've been asked for my citizenship by BP. Not in America? Right!

I don't have a problem with Border Patrol - that is SPECIFICALLY THEIR JOB. I've been through the border regions and passed through the checkpoints and EVERYONE has to stop - it IS the border region after all. What I DO have a problem with is EVERY police officer in the state (even way up in Northern Arizona) having the right (actually under the new law as originally written it was their DUTY) to SELECTIVELY pull you over at any time for ANY REASON to ask for your papers. I'm sorry, but that's wayyyyyyy too much like the German Gestapo to me and leaves wayyyyyyy too much opportunity for abuse. As I've already said, even the Governor realized the law was WAY TOO BROAD - that's why she CHANGED IT before it was even put into effect. It's like the difference between having a law against prostitution and a having a law REQUIRING the police to ask for the ID of a couple (to make sure the woman doesn't show up in a "prostitute database") every time they see a couple walking together. It's wayyyyyyyy too broad. The very proof the law the was WRONG was the speed in which the Governor hurried to try and FIX IT. She KNEW it would NEVER STAND UP IN COURT - and she was RIGHT.
DUH!

Ken

[IndianGoldEagle]

This guy needs to be tossed out. I didn't know it was a law enforcement officers job to pick and choose the laws he wants to enforce.

[revelated]

Originally Posted by LordBalfor

It's like the difference between having a law against prostitution and a having a law REQUIRING the police to ask for the ID of a couple (to make sure the woman doesn't show up in a "prostitute database") every time they see a couple walking together. It's wayyyyyyyy too broad.

If said woman is dressed excessively provocative and fits...wait for it...the PROFILE of a streetwalker, then no, I'd have no problem with said officer doing his job. Because...you know, it's his job. That's the chick's fault for dressing like a prostitute when you know good and well it's not only bad taste to do so, it's likely to get you locked up. Mod Cut: Personal info and off topic.
I speak as a concerned citizen when I say that some of you who actually don't want your state protecting you, worry me. That our country has you so blind to the issue that people are actually posting rhetoric about their grandmas and everything else who never got legal - that's THEIR FAULT. Legal residency is and always has been a requirement if you're here an extended period. It doesn't matter if they ferried over in 1853. The law passed, there were no exemptions or exceptions. The moment they saw that the citizenship requirements changed they should have been first in line to draw up papers. Now, they have nobody to blame but themselves, I'm sorry.

It's just not right that someone like me goes to Korea and if I don't take steps to establish citizenship OR a travel visa or something, they'll likely lock me up and ship me off immediately. No healthcare. No welfare. No voice. If I call a company out there, their IVR is not going to cater to me. I will be shipped away because I don't belong there and I haven't done what they require to be there for an extended period. Yet, here in the US we pretty much have developed a tolerance to this plight by saying, "oh, their country's screwed up, so let's give them a break!" That's now how it should work.

[Boompa]

Originally Posted by IndianGoldEagle

This guy needs to be tossed out. I didn't know it was a law enforcement officers job to pick and choose the laws he wants to enforce.

Last year Pima County deported more illegals than Maricopa County, which has three times the population. So one could argue he is the only one doing his part.
The point is the new law requires criminal charges. So who will pay for their lawyers?

[IndianGoldEagle]

Originally Posted by Boompa

Last year Pima County deported more illegals than Maricopa County, which has three times the population. So one could argue he is the only one doing his part.
The point is the new law requires criminal charges. So who will pay for their lawyers?

Giving them a free ride back to the border so that they can turn around and cross again is not the answer. That has been tried and failed. If the Fed's won't seal the border something has to be done to discourage their coming here in the first place.

[miamiman]

Originally Posted by KarmaPhx

You can protest all you want, this law isn't going anywhere. Too many people support it, and the only ones who oppose the law are illegals due to the fear of being deported.

Ridiculous assertion. I oppose the law. Am I an illegal, KarmaPhx? Who cares how many people support the law? People in this state were against MLK Day becoming a state holiday. All the NFL had to do was THREATEN to take away the Superbowl and this state changed its tune really quickly.

Arizona thinks its being tough by exercising its rights as a state. However, when its laws unfairly target one ethnic group over others there will be hell to pay until the law is overturned.

Originally Posted by Grannysroost

I think you mean the referendums may be able to halt progress, and if that happens it will have to be put on the ballot in 2012? unless of course a court order stops it before...

No, I mean that through boycotting efforts the law will be reversed before Arizonans ever have the chance to vote on the matter. No one is going to wait until 2012 for this law to be reversed. This law WILL be reverse by the end of summer.

Originally Posted by jazzlover

People in this country are free to peacefully protest and speak against any law in this country--that is what the First Amendment is all about. But, so long as the law is in effect, it is the SWORN DUTY of the Sheriff to uphold it and enforce it, and it is ILLEGAL for citizens to disbobey it. Of course, since the illegals Mod Cut: Name calling already broke the law when they came to the US, they probably can't be expected to start obeying the law now. As for protests, if "whatever it takes" means disobeying duly enacted laws in any jurisdiction--local, state, of federal--then THOSE people need to be arrested and tried--and, if convicted, sentenced to appropriate punishment.

We have a real problem in this country with people thinking that laws they don't like either a) do not apply to them or b) should only apply to everyone else.

As to the Sheriff, he should read his oath of office, quoted below from the Arizona Statutes, with my emphasis added in bold and/or underlining. Those Mod Cut: Name calling folks supporting his statement that he will not enforce this new law should sure as hell read it, too. They might learn something . . .

The sheriff doesn't have to a damn thing. Just like Sheriff Joe has overstepped his boundaries more than once, the Pima County sheriff can do the same thing. People who fight against the law ARE being arrested, when they are getting out of hand, but that still will not stop people from protesting until this law gets reversed.

[LordBalfor]

Originally Posted by revelated

If said woman is dressed excessively provocative and fits...wait for it...the PROFILE of a streetwalker, then no, I'd have no problem with said officer doing his job. Because...you know, it's his job. That's the chick's fault for dressing like a prostitute when you know good and well it's not only bad taste to do so, it's likely to get you locked up. Having dated strippers who had an annoying tendency to do just this, I speak from direct experience on the matter. Or as the General on Law & Order said, "if you're going to a hunt, don't show up dressed like a fox."

The problem with your argument is that in THIS CASE - the only real criteria to being stopped is that you are HISPANIC.
Sorry, but that just doesn't cut it.

As I have already said SEVERAL TIMES - the governor KNEW the law (as originally put into place) would not pass muster. She KNEW IT. That's why she changed the law within days. The police cannot pull people over just because of their RACE. Such a law is a series of massive lawsuits just waiting to happen. You folks can refuse to accept that - but the fact is, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. There are specific laws AGAINST THAT.

Geeze! You folks act like you think I want the country flooded with illegal immigrants - which is NOT the case at all. What I want is for the problem to be handled WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE LAW. We shouldn't have to give up our RIGHTS as citizens and turn the country into a police state where the cops can pull you over at ANY TIME for ANY REASON just so we can control illegal immigration. That is NOT the answer.

The way the law is written NOW (as modified) MAY allow it to stand. The way it was written to BEGIN WITH it would clearly NOT.

Ken

[Boompa]

Originally Posted by IndianGoldEagle

Giving them a free ride back to the border so that they can turn around and cross again is not the answer. That has been tried and failed. If the Fed's won't seal the border something has to be done to discourage their coming here in the first place.

So you want to keep 460,000 prisoners?
How much will thaat cost? Lawyers, hearings, Baloney sandwiches.
How long must we keep them?

[Bummer]

Originally Posted by Boompa

So you want to keep 460,000 prisoners?
How much will thaat cost? Lawyers, hearings, Baloney sandwiches.
How long must we keep them?

TOO MUCH, Boompa.

They are costing the Arizona Taxpayers enough as it is primarily due to our wonderful leaders in Washington.

[Boompa]

Originally Posted by Bummer

TOO MUCH, Boompa.

They are costing the Arizona Taxpayers enough as it is primarily due to our wonderful leaders in Washington.

The problem is Drug Dealers, and the Cartels, Americans who buy the marijuana are more at fault than migrant workers