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Hong Kong is much better under British rule. I visited there many times prior to '97 and after '97. Native Hong Konger's loved the "old days". Mainland China is slowly decimating Hong Kong "one cut at a time" and the natives hate it.
Control of the media, censorship, control of the outcome of elections are the tactics being used by the mainland Chinese government to take full control of Hong Kong.
The ramifications are that Hong Kong will lose it's economic and political freedom, which will eventually equal a deterioration in free market economics, meaning lower prosperity for all, including the mainland Chinese.
The mainland Chinese government are despotic people, and the world will eventually realize what the long-term implications are of this control of Hong Kong.
Chief "As*xcutive" CY Leung should step down. The will and wishes of the pro-democracy supporters is clear. Politicians should "serve the people" and it's clear (at least to me) that his unpopularity is based on the fact this his constituency is unhappy with him.
Having White British officials at the top of government departments with local Chinese at the bottom is surely not what the HK Chinese want. That's why there are almost no White people as department heads in HKSAR government after the handover. Goof fluency of both English and Cantonese is required for people who want to work in the HKSAR government after 1997. Medical and some other professional graduates from other english-speaking countries are not automatically licenced in HK after 1997. Cambrdige and Oxford Medical degrees grauates can not practice in HK without going through a difficult licence exam for non-HK graduates.
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Originally Posted by Mack Knife
There was no independence under British rule. There were no free elections either. The British installed whatever government they wanted and there was no say when it came time for new faces.
What the heck is everyone talking about?
The people living in Hong Kong never got to say what British governor was put in place. History people, history.
BTW, HK is part of China. Here we go, sticking our noses in yet another affair that isn't out business.
I do not believe Hong Kong should go back to China. If anything, Hong Kong should be on its own. I know China won't just let this happen. However, if anything is best for Hong Kong, better is goes on its own, the way Singapore did. Hong Kong residents wants independence. However, I don't think the Communist party is what they had in mind. Hong Kong is different. It has operated differently. It was an entrepot for a long time, and it still is. It has a different economy, so why not go on its own.
They should have just asked for independence when the UK left like Singapore and like Timor. Indonesia wanted Timor so badly right ? But at the end, they were not able to get it.
They should have just asked for independence when the UK left like Singapore and like Timor. Indonesia wanted Timor so badly right ? But at the end, they were not able to get it.
East Timor is not of the Dutch colonies but a country a Portuguese colonies , it's fair to give independence to the that country.
They should have just asked for independence when the UK left like Singapore and like Timor. Indonesia wanted Timor so badly right ? But at the end, they were not able to get it.
I have been saying the same thing. Let Hong Kong go on its own. It could probably do better without China.
They should have just asked for independence when the UK left like Singapore and like Timor. Indonesia wanted Timor so badly right ? But at the end, they were not able to get it.
Hong Kong's situation from the beginning was completely different from Singapore, East Timor, etc.
It was initially agreed that China would allow the British, and subsequently the Portuguese to build their city, but it was always understood that it belonged to China.
They basically gave them a LEASE to be there, and to have their own sovereign conditions, for a set number of years.
Hong Kong and Macau didn't suddenly just become 'independent' from the UK and Portugal respectively. They in essense went BACK to CHINA..which was the initial agreement way back 150+ years ago.
Hong Kong's situation from the beginning was completely different from Singapore, East Timor, etc.
It was initially agreed that China would allow the British, and subsequently the Portuguese to build their city, but it was always understood that it belonged to China.
They basically gave them a LEASE to be there, and to have their own sovereign conditions, for a set number of years.
Hong Kong and Macau didn't suddenly just become 'independent' from the UK and Portugal respectively. They in essense went BACK to CHINA..which was the initial agreement way back 150+ years ago.
They could argue the agreements were made under a different gov't possibly?
They could argue the agreements were made under a different gov't possibly?
In principle, China government (both ROC and PRC) refused to recognize "any unfair treaties" between Qing dynasty and foreign countries. In other words, those treaties were not legal in their view.
The old generation of Hong Kong do consider themselves Chinese and did not really fight against the reunion. Many of them were born in mainland China, and almost all of their parents were born in mainland China. They were not fed with western values either.
The problem now is (1) some young people are fully westernized and want "democracy" (2) some young people do not like China and mainland Chinese.
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