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Old 01-21-2013, 09:58 AM
 
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I meant the very simple yes or no question which you are obviously afraid to answer.
Isn't it irritating when people will not answer a simple question?

However, I can't find your question. If you ask it of me, I will answer it if I understand it.
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Isn't it irritating when people will not answer a simple question?

However, I can't find your question. If you ask it of me, I will answer it if I understand it.
The question was:
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Is it your notion that all beliefs should be treated as equal regardless of the solid foundations of some and the preposterous, ignorance based nature of others?
I was deemed "arrogant" for stating that I did not treat all beliefs as equal.
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:15 AM
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Location: Georgia
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However, I can't find your question.
You also won't be able to find the comments and characterizations that he seeks to claim come from me, either. It seems that he has no intention of allowing a discussion of the issue to go on that doesn't conform to his personal take on the matter. My very overt effort to bring the discussion away from meta-discussion and back to the point about respecting other belief systems (a concept that apparently offends him) was met with another bout of vacuously self-serving meta-discussion. Good luck trying to placate his desire to derail discussion of things he doesn't like. Perhaps you'll be more successful than I was. Alternatively, we can just go forward addressing the issue, working through his efforts to derail.
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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You're it.


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Old 01-21-2013, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Than to Believe in God............

This is a line that I think we have all heard from Believers fairly routinely.

I'd like to have a discussion about what "Faith" actually is and how it can be applied in the Atheist's life.

For instance, is it even possible for an atheist to have "Faith" in a non believing stance?

Do we have "Faith" in family, friends, institutions, governments, natural processes, our house, our car etc.

And finally, how did you do you view the concept of "faith" within the religious context that our believers use. Particularly in their use of adjectives such as "strong" or "deep" when describing "Faith."

I have faith that you guys will make this an interesting thread.
Having faith in something is different than having faith about the existence of
something. I'm not sure the latter application makes much sense, what christians probably
want to say is that they have faith in their religious experience of God.

I'd contend that Atheists work with a higher probability of evidence(s) and don't
have to make an uwarranted leap of trust. I have faith in my sensory and cognitive falcuties
since i can not get outside of them to prove they aren't misleading me, but this is not blind faith.
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Old 01-21-2013, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Sitting beside Walden Pond
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The question was:
Is it your notion that all beliefs should be treated as equal regardless of the solid foundations of some and the preposterous, ignorance based nature of others?
My answer is NO.

For example, if my liberal friend says he believes he can throw a rock to the moon. I would not believe him.

If one of my friends says he believes in the Christian god and another friend says he believes in the blessed Tooth Fairy, I would treat each belief with the same lack of respect. Neither belief has a solid foundation.
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Old 01-21-2013, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Canada
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Than to Believe in God............

This is a line that I think we have all heard from Believers fairly routinely.

I'd like to have a discussion about what "Faith" actually is and how it can be applied in the Atheist's life.

For instance, is it even possible for an atheist to have "Faith" in a non believing stance?

Do we have "Faith" in family, friends, institutions, governments, natural processes, our house, our car etc.
No.

We have long experience in being able to trust family, friends, institutions, etc. That is not faith. That is knowledge gained from interactions over time.

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And finally, how did you do you view the concept of "faith" within the religious context that our believers use. Particularly in their use of adjectives such as "strong" or "deep" when describing "Faith."
Faith, in the religious sense, is blind acceptance in the absence of evidence.

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I have faith that you guys will make this an interesting thread.
I hope you're not disappointed. That can test one's faith.
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