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Old 09-05-2014, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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A news item that came to my attention via Metafilter:

"So help me God." | MetaFilter

An airman at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada has allegedly been denied the ability to re-enlist after he refused to use the words "so help me God" in his oath. On September 2, the Appignani Humanist Legal Center sent a letter on his behalf. Up until last fall, Air Force Instruction 36-2606, which spells out the active duty oath, had a provision where an airman could omit the words, but that was dropped last October.

Group: Airman denied reenlistment for refusing to say 'so help me God' | Air Force Times | airforcetimes.com
http://americanhumanist.org/system/s...4090209010.pdf
Group: Refusal to say 'so help me God' sidelines airman
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Old 09-05-2014, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Will be very interesting to see how this plays out. I didn't realize the regs on the oath had reverted. Thanks for posting this.
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Old 09-05-2014, 12:24 PM
 
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If he believes God is just a fairy tale...so what?
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Old 09-05-2014, 12:30 PM
 
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A news item that came to my attention via Metafilter:

"So help me God." | MetaFilter

An airman at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada has allegedly been denied the ability to re-enlist after he refused to use the words "so help me God" in his oath. On September 2, the Appignani Humanist Legal Center sent a letter on his behalf. Up until last fall, Air Force Instruction 36-2606, which spells out the active duty oath, had a provision where an airman could omit the words, but that was dropped last October.

Group: Airman denied reenlistment for refusing to say 'so help me God' | Air Force Times | airforcetimes.com
http://americanhumanist.org/system/s...4090209010.pdf
Group: Refusal to say 'so help me God' sidelines airman
It is blatantly unconstitutional to establish such a religious test.

Aside from that, it's mind-bogglingly idiotic (they do specialize in that, don't they?) as a practical policy. Just consider - a potential reenlistment is a troop that is already trained. All the resources that into shaping a soldier - the money and the time and the training - are saved when someone reenlists. And someone or someones has decided that all that is worth it because the soldier won't say 'so help me, God'?

This should be a surprise, but it isn't really - especially with regards to the Air Force, which is notorious as a relative hotbed of religious fundamentalism compared to the other branches of the armed forces.
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Old 09-05-2014, 01:33 PM
 
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untill its changes he has to say it.

it is that simple.
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Old 09-05-2014, 01:48 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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This is going to cost the US taxpayer a lot of money.

And WTH is the USAF thinking??????
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Old 09-05-2014, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there.
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untill its changes he has to say it.

it is that simple.
He has to lie in other words...
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Old 09-05-2014, 02:13 PM
 
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untill its changes he has to say it.

it is that simple.
Such a requirement blatantly violates the No Religious Test Clause of the United States Constitution. Not only is it unlawful, it is unethical.

Article VI, paragraph 3:
no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States

It is that simple.

On a side note, Army regulations specifically state that the pointless addendum in question is optional; that much was made clear to me when I took the oath of enlistment in 1988. In the real world, 99% of oath administrators in the other branches of the armed forces are either sufficiently knowledgeable, respectful and/or practical enough not to demand it.
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Old 09-05-2014, 03:45 PM
 
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we spit rhetoric back and forth like vipers. But my guess it will come down to some axe to grind. It most certainly is not "unethical". It is real simple. It is in the pledge and must be said until it is taken out. Let him go join the peace core.
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Old 09-05-2014, 04:01 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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we spit rhetoric back and forth like vipers. But my guess it will come down to some axe to grind. It most certainly is not "unethical". It is real simple. It is in the pledge and must be said until it is taken out. Let him go join the peace core.
It's unconstitutional. The USAF should know that, and it'll cost the taxpayer a lot of dollars for stupidity.

BTW, it's the Peace CORP.
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