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Old 04-25-2018, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Goodness! Don’t waste your time feeling sorry for me. I’m good.

signed,

Religious Person
Remember that the next time you say to an atheist...'I'll pray for you.'

Signed

Atheist Person

Oh....and tell your annoying friends too.
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Old 04-26-2018, 12:44 AM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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I feel sorry for them, but at least I'm free to ignore their rituals while we still have freedom from religion in America.

What bothers me is that Liberalism is America's new religion--forced on our youngsters by the Ruling Elite. Religion (including Liberalism) has a strange psychological protection in the brain that prevents logic and facts from coming in and snapping the person out of the brainwashing. The result is that there can be no intellectual discussion and learning; no actual attempt to figure out if a real problem exists, and if government intervention would make the problem better or worse.

Try having a scientific discussion with someone who has swallowed the "climate change/global warming" propaganda"--it's impossible. You'll ask a legitimate question like "how can we make major economic changes based on the always-wrong predictions of a thousand different climate models, none of which agree with any of the others, and none of which can predict the future--or even the past?" and you'll get insults, fury, and charges that you don't care about the drowning polar bears (when the polar bear population is increasing) in return.

We're going back to the Dark Ages, with Liberal priests imposing their dictates on all Americans, and making themselves even richer and more powerful in the process.
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Old 04-26-2018, 03:31 AM
 
Location: 'greater' Buffalo, NY
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I feel sorry for them, but at least I'm free to ignore their rituals while we still have freedom from religion in America.

What bothers me is that Liberalism is America's new religion--forced on our youngsters by the Ruling Elite. Religion (including Liberalism) has a strange psychological protection in the brain that prevents logic and facts from coming in and snapping the person out of the brainwashing. The result is that there can be no intellectual discussion and learning; no actual attempt to figure out if a real problem exists, and if government intervention would make the problem better or worse.

Try having a scientific discussion with someone who has swallowed the "climate change/global warming" propaganda"--it's impossible. You'll ask a legitimate question like "how can we make major economic changes based on the always-wrong predictions of a thousand different climate models, none of which agree with any of the others, and none of which can predict the future--or even the past?" and you'll get insults, fury, and charges that you don't care about the drowning polar bears (when the polar bear population is increasing) in return.

We're going back to the Dark Ages, with Liberal priests imposing their dictates on all Americans, and making themselves even richer and more powerful in the process.
Laughable on a lot of levels, but it's 5:30 AM, and I'm going to confine myself to saying that the polar bear population is not increasing. Here's a nice concise debunking of that myth:

https://polarbearsinternational.org/...-fact-booming/
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Old 04-26-2018, 04:13 AM
 
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Remember that the next time you say to an atheist...'I'll pray for you.'

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Oh....and tell your annoying friends too.
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Old 04-26-2018, 04:30 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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I feel sorry for them, but at least I'm free to ignore their rituals while we still have freedom from religion in America.

What bothers me is that Liberalism is America's new religion--forced on our youngsters by the Ruling Elite. Religion (including Liberalism) has a strange psychological protection in the brain that prevents logic and facts from coming in and snapping the person out of the brainwashing. The result is that there can be no intellectual discussion and learning; no actual attempt to figure out if a real problem exists, and if government intervention would make the problem better or worse.

Try having a scientific discussion with someone who has swallowed the "climate change/global warming" propaganda"--it's impossible. You'll ask a legitimate question like "how can we make major economic changes based on the always-wrong predictions of a thousand different climate models, none of which agree with any of the others, and none of which can predict the future--or even the past?" and you'll get insults, fury, and charges that you don't care about the drowning polar bears (when the polar bear population is increasing) in return.

We're going back to the Dark Ages, with Liberal priests imposing their dictates on all Americans, and making themselves even richer and more powerful in the process.
It' valid to ask questions of everything - even the global -warming claims. But even global -warming denial doesn't deny now that it is happening - just what's doing it and what (if anything) we can do about it.

Rather than Liberal policy teaching kids to recite liberal dogma by rote, what we are getting is conservative business consortiums looking to find excuses to do nothing to cut emissions and carbon footprint that might erode their profits.
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Old 04-26-2018, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Feeling sorry for them is way more emotion than I'm willing to give.
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Old 04-26-2018, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Feeling sorry for them is way more emotion than I'm willing to give.
In any case if I have any emotions about them anymore -- or at least about fundamentalists -- it's more in the direction of contempt.

I saw news reports this morning that evangelicals are rustling up unprecedented mobilization of support for Trump in an attempt to forestall any "blue wave" in the midterms. Characteristically, an evangelical spokesperson, when asked if Trump's affair with a porn star might, you know, be problematic for them, opined that they did not elect a husband, but a protector -- to give them the judges and other temporal power that they seek.

These kinds of facile rationalizations, these "end justifies the means" examples of situational ethics that they once upon a time railed against, but now are apparently okay with ... I can't possibly have pity for that.
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Old 04-26-2018, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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We do not know what the morality of the future will be, but if we suppose an era of world government, then people will be born into the post nationalism world and will have difficulty grasping the stupidity behind all of our nationalistic wars.

In such a world, the sort of patriotism which today is seen as great virtue, will become viewed as a distasteful relic of an inferior age, just as atheists view the religious today.

Even if you are an atheist now, do you still view yourself as a patriot and your nation as worthy of your loyalty? And if you do, should people feel sorry for you because of these beliefs?
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Old 04-26-2018, 07:19 AM
 
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While I don't rail against religious people as much as the OP, a small part does feel bad when I drive through Nowhere, USA and pass all these dilapidated homes followed by the best constructed building in the whole town... the church. Some of these people give away money they need to actually live in something above squalor to a church. It is a disservice to the community.

However, I will say that as someone that lives in the Bible Belt, I love how the best time to do pretty much anything is Sunday. I happily wave to all the like-minded heathens as we pass by.
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Old 04-26-2018, 07:29 AM
 
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I feel sorry for them, but at least I'm free to ignore their rituals while we still have freedom from religion in America.

What bothers me is that Liberalism is America's new religion

"how can we make major economic changes based on the always-wrong predictions of a thousand different climate models, none of which agree with any of the others, and none of which can predict the future--or even the past?"
I think someone wandered in from the politics forum by accident? Politics is like religion in that it can be simply another form of brainwashing. I'd agree if you said Politics is America's new religion.

As for models? The saying goes that "all models are wrong, but some are useful." What I try to keep in mind when it comes to this man-made climate change discussion is what is the driving factor for nearly all business decisions in this world? Money. Always money. Businesses are putting their thumbs on the scale so we don't accept man-made climate change as a possibility. Businesses care about the bottom line and to hell with everything else.

On the flip side, there may be some pressure on the other side. Maybe some businesses stand to profit from allegedly phony climate change. So maybe they are putting pressure on the scales as well. However, if I had to put a wager on which side is putting more pressure in bias in studies, its the businesses trying to make us look the other way on climate change. They have the most to lose.

Gah, I came in this subforum to not talk politics.
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