New interchanges, widening are concerns with proposed managed lanes projects on I-285 and GA 400 (Atlanta: school, universities)
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A small fringe group of people were concerned about it and somehow you equate that to being 'largely the reason' why the TSPLOST was soundly defeated?
That is pure stupidity.
C'mon, son. I would say you are better than that, but by now we all know you aren't.
The Sierra Club is anything but "a small fringe group of people."
The Sierra Club is a powerful environmental advocacy organization (both here in Georgia and nationally) whose lead is often followed by voters on major issues that are perceived by many to have a significant impact on the environment.
The Sierra Club was one of the most high-profile organizations that led the way early-on in opposing and defeating the Outer Perimeter loop and Northern Arc bypass highway construction proposals back in the late 1990's and early 2000's.
So when the Sierra Club opposed the 2012 T-SPLOST on the grounds that they perceived the referendum to be too heavy on road construction and too light on transit and on the grounds that they perceived the referendum to be a backdoor way to resurrect the Northern Arc (because of at least two, maybe three road construction projects that were proposed to be built in the right-of-way of the erstwhile proposed Outer Perimeter/Northern Arc), much (if not most) of the voting public seemed to follow their lead in opposing the tax that the referendum would enable.
The Sierra Club is anything but "a small fringe group of people."
The Sierra Club is a powerful environmental advocacy organization (both here in Georgia and nationally) whose lead is often followed by voters on major issues that are perceived by many to have a significant impact on the environment.
The Sierra Club was one of the most high-profile organizations that led the way early-on in opposing and defeating the Outer Perimeter loop and Northern Arc bypass highway construction proposals back in the late 1990's and early 2000's.
So when the Sierra Club opposed the 2012 T-SPLOST on the grounds that they perceived the referendum to be too heavy on road construction and too light on transit and on the grounds that they perceived the referendum to be a backdoor way to resurrect the Northern Arc (because of at least two, maybe three road construction projects that were proposed to be built in the right-of-way of the erstwhile proposed Outer Perimeter/Northern Arc), much (if not most) of the voting public seemed to follow their lead in opposing the tax that the referendum would enable.
The Sierra Club's failure to endorse is clearly why the AWFUL project list got soundly rejected.
This coming from a poster who has been permanently banished from this site at least twice after posting under the names of gtcorndog and GregsDaddy and whatever other names you have used to troll and incite under.
The irony of you asking someone else if they are triggered while engaging in name-calling and obsessing over my posts (for whatever odd or creepy or scary reason that you like to do so).
If you don't like the length of mine's or anyone else's posts then don't read them, it's that simple.
But we all know that it is not the length of anyone's posts that you are concerned with. We all know that you just came here to get some much wanted (or unwanted) attention by echoing totally and completely original epithets like "snowflake" (gee, none of us have ever heard that one before, did you come up with that one all by yourself?).
So, let's give gtcorndog, I mean GregsDaddy, I mean MikeHonchoATL the attention that he's craves and acknowledge what an absolute genius he is in returning to this site to get even more attention after being permanently banned at least twice (probably more) and calling someone a "snowflake" (I bet that he worked very, very hard all day and all night to come up with that beauty of an epithet all on his own).
Everybody give a nice loud round of applause for MikeHonchoATL aka GregsDaddy aka gtcorndog for his outstanding originality in coming up with an epithet to get the attention that he so desperately wants and needs!
Good boy, Mike! That's a good boy! We are so proud of you, Mikey! As a reward, I think that we should let Mikey get out of the high chair so that he can finally sit at the kids' table because he is such a big boy now.
I just wonder what will be the next name Mikey chooses to post under when he desperately returns to this site after being permanently banned yet again...
If I was a betting man, I might suggest that we should start some kind of pool (of friendly non-monetary wagers, of course) to see how long "MikeHonchoATL" can stay on this site without being banned yet again for name-calling, trolling and just outright boorish (and oftentimes just downright creepy and obsessive) online behavior.
Sorry, if this post might have come across as "long" and "rambling," but we can't just post everything in pictures and drawings here the way that Mikey likes. We do have to post actual words and thoughts here, too for the people who like to read and constructively comment.
Getting back to the subject at hand, I wonder what Mikey thinks should be done about expanding transportation capacity along the Top End of the I-285 Perimeter?
Does Mikey think that they should go with just the type of maximized roadway expansion proposal (of multiple elevated tolled express lanes on each direction of the roadway) that is being put forward by the State of Georgia?
Does Mikey think that some type of high-capacity transit option should be part of the equation for expanding transportation capacity on the I-285 Top End Perimeter?
Or will Mikey just respond with yet more name-calling and trolling and prove that he cares nothing about having a serious discussion and is only here to get the desperately wanted attention that he is clearly not getting elsewhere in life?
I guess that it is Mikey's choice whether or not he wants to be taken seriously as a poster on this site, or wants to continue to be regarded as some sad clown show who has yet to realize that the party is over and has been over for awhile now.
I personally would like to see a loop freeway that circles the circumference of downtown..an inner by-pass if you will..but I think a loop would be the better term as you're technically in downtown and it just makes reaching all sides of it more efficient while also providing a by-pass from event traffic... Similar to what Charlotte NC has, minus the bypass for event traffic.
Never gonna happen, historic neighborhoods on all side of Downtown.
Few people say that. Yet, you have a contingency of people on this board who want to take away what is already there before offering up alternatives, in order to push the alternatives.
Yeah you not getting it.... and this yeah funny "I" want take away there life style just me it's that not sustainable or anything like that but just it's me lmao
Nobody is taking anything from anyone what happening is reality is hitting some people who live in a fantasy.
the greed of developers and people buy in sprawl took away the option itself for roads themselves literally. So what your trying to do is blame urban and transportation planers for people who demise themselves for wanting to live in sprawl.
Also pushing alternatives did not make roads a handicap, because metro Atlanta is clearly handicap with roads is reason alternatives are being pushed.
let try this again.....
Again Phenoix is a grid...... this grid created multiple main roads.
because they are a grid they was able confined sprawl.......... because it's more organize this leaves more land to look ahead build roads, freeway and etc. They could put a freeway to east if they want too
Las Vegas sprawling in a grids.
Atlanta is not a grid and sprawl widly....... this greatly limits areas to build roads,
Your not getting it..... traffic is a factor just like schools and etc are factors
You can't go I want live in a super large house in suburbs and commute far to my job but I don't want traffic.... that does not make sense! It's call life weigh your options.
that's like saying I'm want to smoke but I don't it to effect my health.... or I'm going to eat nothing but candy all day but I don't want my teeth to damage.
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Actually, most of them just want to have their smoke or candy that they already have, accepting the issues that come with each, but someone comes up and grabs it from them and tells that that they'll have to find another way to get their fix.
Umm no
What happen is the population in area grew and change the reality of the traffic in a area. in locations that was built original unsuitable road infrastructure for growth.
It's like a doctor warning someone about their health habits that they heading in a direction hard to treat.... and it's free county people can eat all the candy and smoke all the cigarettes they want............. but this situation is like trying to blame the doctor cause the doctor has limited options for this treatment. like it's the doctor fault because he or she warn now that they got bad health, and not the fact of they eating too much candy and smoking.
This is what happening your trying to blame urban and transportation planers for warning that an area is not sustainable then get mad at them cause can't be fix.
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What about razing neighborhoods for transit?
You made a comparison so lets do visuals
You think transit take up as much space
As freeways would clearly this would remove significant amount of neighborhoods.
by the way you could that in Phoenix pic but not Atlanta pics above.
I litteally been though this already and answer in this very thread.
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Let just take that in for a second.......You could "easy" tear down business and homes...... um come again?
1. A freeway takes up a lot more space than a path for transit, seriously look at freedom parkway? Do you know the history behind it? You think a transit line remove as much freedom pwy? And that's just for route let talk about the how land would be remove for the interchanges?
2. No trasit wouldn't remove that much, all the light rail plans follow the freeways. Most of which is forest right now. Look Atlanta belt line it's planned to have light rail does that seem like it's a lot of space?
And The Clifton corridor would have to be a street car.
You also did not listen Houston is a grid Houston doesn't sprawl as wild as Atlanta, Houston density created areas to set side for freeways, this not case with Atlanta.
Austin is just 2 million its urban area is no where near the size of Atlanta. When Atlanta was Austin size that's when Atlanta should plan ahead and build a second loop and etc before significant develops got in the path.
because Atlanta is in bind with roads Atlanta to start looking at other metros with similar handicaps and chaotic road network such a DC, Boston and Philly and how they get by...... not idolize Houston freeways and talk about freeways with no physically way to even build them.
Roads can be widened. Ran across this article with a picture where they are adding a lane in a well developed area in Montgomery County north of Houston. There may not be political will, but they are generally physically possible.
http://www.ih45northandmore.com/docs...April-2017.pdf
Draft Environmental Impact statement on I-45 North improvements. Note page ES-14-it shows the impacts of the alternatives. The recommended alternative is highlighted. Its a developed space. That doesn't mean it can't be done.
Table ES-1: Summary of Impacts of the Reasonable Alternatives in Segment 1 Alternative 4 (Proposed Recommended) Alternative 5 Alternative 7 Land Use - Acquisition of 212 acres of land: commercial land use on west side of I-45; commercial, residential, and industrial land uses on east side - Commercial development and planned industrial park in proposed right-of-way - Acquisition of 239 acres of land: commercial and residential land uses on east side of I-45; greatest impact to industrial land use in comparison to the other alternatives - Portion of the Adath Israel Cemetery (classified as open space land use) is located in proposed right-of-way
- Acquisition of 120 acres of land: commercial and residential land uses on east and west side of I-45 - Portion of commercial development and planned industrial park in proposed right-of-way
Community Resources - Displacement of 3 places of worship and 2 schools/universities - Displacement of medical care facilities - Displacement of 5 places of worship and 3 schools/universities - Displacement of medical care facilities, shopping centers, and grocery stores
- Displacement of 3 places of worship and 1 school/university
Displacements - 58 Single-family residences - 160 Multi-family residential units* - 242 Businesses; 23,066 Employees - 72 Single-family residences - 97 Multi-family residential units* - 354 Businesses; 21,232 Employees
- 37 Single-family residences - 26 Multi-family residential units* - 258 Businesses; 23,260 Employees
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clearly this would remove significant amount of neighborhoods. 
