Atlanta’s housing crisis: stop making it worse with bad arguments against growth (Roswell: schools, subdivisions)

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Why can't you build that in Ormewood Park? Seems like you could build that in most of the city, except for maybe R-5 and certain commercial areas.

Nope. Duplexes are legal only in R-5 and MR zoning. Ormewood is R4. And even R-5 would not meet the setback requirements as it requires a 30ft setback. My duplex has a front yard that is much larger than any of these we have been sharing, but it is still out of compliance as it is only about ~18ft setback.

Originally Posted by arjay57

Re your pictures, we've got tons of areas like those shown in your third photo, jsvh. Here's one in Buckhead, where they carved out about 6 acres in a single family neighborhood and plopped in 50 homes, including new streets and a common area. Across the street they put 11 townhouses on 1 acre.

There are a zillion places like this, many of them much denser.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8561...!7i3328!8i1664

As Sam has been asking for, yes, we have already done special rezonings to allow nice, denser housing like these in some spots around the city. I am saying we now need to make them more broadly legal in most places in the city.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by wasel

Aren't you putting an accessory dwelling unit on your property?

Negative. But I think I should have the right to if I wanted.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Our historic, SFH, streetcar suburbs are not going to be bulldozed for medium density. Y'all should really see the Atlanta City Studio and their presentation about preserving existing, historic SFH and building dense around transit stations (including the BeltLine), etc.

Yep. They have some good plans in the work. We need to make sure they get the support they need to make it happen.



Designing an inclusive, growing Atlanta while protecting neighborhoods and tree canopy - SaportaReport

PDF of Presentation: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3nvye0vfa1...04-sm.pdf?dl=0

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Yep. They have some good plans in the work. We need to make sure they get the support they need to make it happen.



Designing an inclusive, growing Atlanta while protecting neighborhoods and tree canopy - SaportaReport

PDF of Presentation: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3nvye0vfa1...04-sm.pdf?dl=0

Pin this MF image to the top of CD-Atlanta.

[J2rescue]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Yep. They have some good plans in the work. We need to make sure they get the support they need to make it happen.



Designing an inclusive, growing Atlanta while protecting neighborhoods and tree canopy - SaportaReport

PDF of Presentation: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3nvye0vfa1...04-sm.pdf?dl=0

I LOVE the approach they are taking with this thing because this city really needs it. Rewriting the codes will take some time but hopefully they can implement a healthy chunk of the plan in the short term.

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Pin this MF image to the top of CD-Atlanta.

The four relevant slides:









Notice how the last slide actually references the layers of corridors. It mentions both fixed guideway (as in streetcar, light-rail, and bus rapid transit) and heavy rail corridors.

Also, there were these maps:







The city is acknowledging the discrepancy between where people live, and where they want to live with relation to urban settings.

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by fourthwarden

The four relevant slides:

The city is acknowledging the discrepancy between where people live, and where they want to live with relation to urban settings.

I don't understand this one:


What's the difference between blue and black dots? They are both labeled "Metro Residents Who Prefer To Live In the City". Given the number of dots, this image is suggesting that every resident of Metro Atlanta would prefer to live in the city.

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

I don't understand this one:


What's the difference between blue and black dots? They are both labeled "Metro Residents Who Prefer To Live In the City". Given the number of dots, this image is suggesting that every resident of Metro Atlanta would prefer to live in the city.

Oh, hahahah. Oh man, so, fun fact: I went to the City Design Studio, and pointed out this exact error to them on the draft of the presentation that they'd posted up on the walls. The guy I was talking to said that he'd double check it.

Given that this presentation is missing a few sections from the one they had posted, I don't think it's a final version.


The light blue dots are supposed to be "Metro Residents Who Prefer To Live Outside the City" like they are in the picture after it.

[bu2]

Rural areas? In the city of Atlanta? That makes no sense.

I think they need more focus for density in the west and less in the northeast. Just don't think the northeast can handle a lot more. There are quite a few possibilities for expanded roads and transit to the west.

Reading the slides, they expect Atlanta to be at 7% of the region's population, which would be 560,000 of 8,000,000.

The 1.2 million is if they increase it to 15% which they say surveys indicate that % want to live in the city. Of course because of a myriad of reasons, actions don't always follow desires. So this is more of a what if than any expectation.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by bu2

Rural areas? In the city of Atlanta? That makes no sense.

Those areas already are rural in design / layout / population density. They just propose keeping it that way. Much of Atlanta is rural on an international scale.

Originally Posted by bu2

I think they need more focus for density in the west and less in the northeast. Just don't think the northeast can handle a lot more. There are quite a few possibilities for expanded roads and transit to the west.

What areas in the NW CoA are you referring to?

Originally Posted by bu2

The 1.2 million is if they increase it to 15% which they say surveys indicate that % want to live in the city. Of course because of a myriad of reasons, actions don't always follow desires. So this is more of a what if than any expectation.

You doubt that 15% of people in the metro want to live in the city? Seems like a pretty conservative number to me. Heck those 15% are probably just the share that want to live in an urban / highrise area. Bet an even much higher % would love a nice single family home closer in in the city limits if given a somewhat affordable choice.