TL metro added 68,585 residents from July 1st 2022 to July 1, 2023.

[bethereds82]

I wanted to share the new 2023 census estimates that were released yesterday.
ATL metro added 68,585 residents from July 1st 2022 to July 1, 2023.

We were 3rd behind only Texas superpowers DFW and HOU areas. Orlando shows impressive, continued growth as well.

ATL is now the 6th largest metro in the country leapfrogging DC and Philly-- although DMV area I believe has Baltimore and DC broken out separately.





Top 10 U.S. Metro Areas in Annual Numeric Growth:
July 1, 2022 to July 1, 2023
Rank Metro Area April 1, 2020
(Estimates Base) July 1, 2022 July 1, 2023 Numeric Growth
1 Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 7,637,398 7,947,439 8,100,037 152,598
2 Houston-Pasadena-The Woodlands, TX 7,149,604 7,370,464 7,510,253 139,789
3 Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell, GA 6,106,847 6,238,676 6,307,261 68,585
4 Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL 2,673,391 2,763,017 2,817,933 54,916
5 Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 3,175,291 3,291,341 3,342,963 51,622
6 Charlotte-Concord-Gastonia, NC-SC 2,660,348 2,754,657 2,805,115 50,458
7 Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos, TX 2,283,379 2,423,170 2,473,275 50,105
8 Phoenix-Mesa-Chandler, AZ 4,851,102 5,020,870 5,070,110 49,240
9 San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX 2,558,115 2,655,928 2,703,999 48,071
10 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, FL 6,138,356 6,139,812 6,183,199 43,387
Source: U.S. Census Bureau, Vintage 2023 Population Estimates.

[Citykid3785]

Yes, super interesting and yet not surprising.

I feel like we will see a continued growth anchoring around Alpharetta and Gainesville in the north metro, almost creating 2 metros (not on paper of course, simply implying we will get so big that the north metro will stay to the north, and south will stay to the south).

Note, if you look at CSA’s, we rank 10th (dc include Baltimore, Boston providence, Philly Atlantic City, and San Fran is all of Silicon Valley)

[ShenardL]

People used to say Phoenix would reach/surpass Atlanta's population, but Atlanta is growing faster. Atlanta will be 6th in MSA for a while since the cities behind it are growing slower while the cities ahead of it (Houston/Dallas) are growing faster. I think Atlanta is projected to have 8 million in the MSA by 2049/2050, so around 2060 is around the time it may pass Chicago (which is stagnant/declining in population).

[Atlwarrior]

It's not shabby. My predictions are that you will see explosive growth shift to South Downtown, through West End, Oakland City, and the Lakewood area.

[Born 2 Roll]

Originally Posted by Citykid3785

I feel like we will see a continued growth anchoring around Alpharetta and Gainesville in the north metro, almost creating 2 metros (not on paper of course, simply implying we will get so big that the north metro will stay to the north, and south will stay to the south).

Your comment raises the point that Alpharetta and Gainesville have emerged as dominant hubs of metropolitan and regional activity in the 21st century as most of Atlanta’s continued metropolitan and regional growth has increasingly occurred north of the city since the end of World War II.

Since the Great Recession, the North metro Atlanta outer suburb of Alpharetta has emerged as a major (massive) hub of tech industry and white-collar job activity in North metro Atlanta and North Georgia.

And since the turn of the millennium, the Northeast metro Atlanta exurb of Gainesville (which was already a very important hub of industrial activity in the Northeast Georgia Foothills/Mountains region) has emerged as a very important and major hub of political activity in the greater Atlanta metropolitan region and in greater North Georgia.

It’s no accident that there are two potential ownership groups currently vying to attract an NHL franchise back to the Atlanta market at two possible sites in the Alpharetta area, which anchors a large cluster of affluent households in the North metro Atlanta OTP suburbs.

And it’s no accident that multiple powerful Georgia political figures at the state and federal levels (including a two-term former Georgia governor, a three-term former Georgia lieutenant governor, a former very high-ranking congressional leader, a former Georgia state senate majority leader, a highly influential media personality, etc.) have come out of the Gainesville area since the turn of the millennium.

The North metro Atlanta suburbs and exurbs have experienced so much growth in recent years and preceding decades that the area has acquired its own economic, political, social and cultural sphere of influence that may often make the area feel as if it is separate from the rest of metro Atlanta.

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by Citykid3785

Yes, super interesting and yet not surprising.

I feel like we will see a continued growth anchoring around Alpharetta and Gainesville in the north metro, almost creating 2 metros (not on paper of course, simply implying we will get so big that the north metro will stay to the north, and south will stay to the south).

Note, if you look at CSA’s, we rank 10th (dc include Baltimore, Boston providence, Philly Atlantic City, and San Fran is all of Silicon Valley)

Originally Posted by Born 2 Roll

Your comment raises the point that Alpharetta and Gainesville have emerged as dominant hubs of metropolitan and regional activity in the 21st century as most of Atlanta’s continued metropolitan and regional growth has increasingly occurred north of the city since the end of World War II.

Since the Great Recession, the North metro Atlanta outer suburb of Alpharetta has emerged as a major (massive) hub of tech industry and white-collar job activity in North metro Atlanta and North Georgia.

And since the turn of the millennium, the Northeast metro Atlanta exurb of Gainesville (which was already a very important hub of industrial activity in the Northeast Georgia Foothills/Mountains region) has emerged as a very important and major hub of political activity in the greater Atlanta metropolitan region and in greater North Georgia.

It’s no accident that there are two potential ownership groups currently vying to attract an NHL franchise back to the Atlanta market at two possible sites in the Alpharetta area, which anchors a large cluster of affluent households in the North metro Atlanta OTP suburbs.

And it’s no accident that multiple powerful Georgia political figures at the state and federal levels (including a two-term former Georgia governor, a three-term former Georgia lieutenant governor, a former very high-ranking congressional leader, a former Georgia state senate majority leader, a highly influential media personality, etc.) have come out of the Gainesville area since the turn of the millennium.

The North metro Atlanta suburbs and exurbs have experienced so much growth in recent years and preceding decades that the area has acquired its own economic, political, social and cultural sphere of influence that may often make the area feel as if it is separate from the rest of metro Atlanta.

Historically there was riff between The liberal Black Atlanta and conservative white Northern suburbs that resulted with northern suburbanites to bash the city. But with changing demographics of North Fulton and the COA. I doubt this continue. The CoA is drawing more diverse gaining whites and other backgrounds. White their Northern suburbs are going to become more diverse gaining more Black, Asians, hispanics etc and becoming more Blue/purplish.

The CoA has a small city limit that if Houston, Dallas, LA, Chicago, New York sq mi was place over Atlanta, it could cover Alpharetta. So really a lot of The Northern suburbs like North Fulton are acting/behaving like extension of the city. A sunbelt city with a metro over 6.3 million urbanizations isn't going to be just 136 sq mi.

Not as another metro but I can see the Northern suburbs getting more of there own identity as a major suburb. Think of LA where it's clear the region identity is LA but suburbs such as Burbank, San Monica, Anaheim etc have their own identity even as suburbs. That where Alpharetta is heading to.

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Gainesville is more complicated. Athens and Gainesville are both satellite cities they would have separate identities as cities even if Atlanta sprawl more into them. Which I believe will continue to happen to a point they will start growing faster and urbanize more themselves.

[Atlwarrior]

Originally Posted by chiatldal

Historically there was riff between The liberal Black Atlanta and conservative white Northern suburbs that resulted with northern suburbanites to bash the city. But with changing demographics of North Fulton and the COA. I doubt this continue. The CoA is drawing more diverse gaining whites and other backgrounds. White their Northern suburbs are going to become more diverse gaining more Black, Asians, hispanics etc and becoming more Blue/purplish.

The CoA has a small city limit that if Houston, Dallas, LA, Chicago, New York sq mi was place over Atlanta, it could cover Alpharetta. So really a lot of The Northern suburbs like North Fulton are acting/behaving like extension of the city. A sunbelt city with a metro over 6.3 million urbanizations isn't going to be just 136 sq mi.

Not as another metro but I can see the Northern suburbs getting more of there own identity as a major suburb. Think of LA where it's clear the region identity is LA but suburbs such as Burbank, San Monica, Anaheim etc have their own identity even as suburbs. That where Alpharetta is heading to.

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Gainesville is more complicated. Athens and Gainesville are both satellite cities they would have separate identities as cities even if Atlanta sprawl more into them. Which I believe will continue to happen to a point they will start growing faster and urbanize more themselves.

I think you're leaving out the more conservative wealthy blacks, which led to the creation of South Fulton. They are not openly anti-Atlanta but have some of the same attitudes as the northern suburbs. However, I don't see South or North Fulton and Forsyth having the influence to continue spreading negative narratives about Atlanta, especially as Gen Z and Millennials continue to diversify neighborhoods ITP. It will be hard to retain anti-Atlanta attitudes when your children and grandchildren live there. This will be fun to watch play out.

[Yoski]

Originally Posted by chiatldal

Historically there was riff between The liberal Black Atlanta and conservative white Northern suburbs that resulted with northern suburbanites to bash the city. But with changing demographics of North Fulton and the COA. I doubt this continue. The CoA is drawing more diverse gaining whites and other backgrounds. White their Northern suburbs are going to become more diverse gaining more Black, Asians, hispanics etc and becoming more Blue/purplish.

Good point. I can't speak to what's going on to the north, but here in the southwest corner of the metro there is a definite schism between the older, less diverse generation that settled here to avoid "Atlanta" or were raised and influenced by those that did, and the younger more diverse transplants. Like Atlwarrior stated about South Fulton, they don't want the hood where they are, but don't speak on Atlanta with the type of contempt or lightlyveiled code speak as the old folks. They are more and more politically aligned with the CoA as well.

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by Yoski

. Like Atlwarrior stated about South Fulton, they don't want the hood where they are, but don't speak on Atlanta with the type of contempt or lightlyveiled code speak as the old folks. They are more and more politically aligned with the CoA as well.

Now that contempt is being spread to the core counties (Cobb/Gwinnett/Clayton) as a whole.

[rickms55]

Something that gets lost (or more commonly, most people don't consider ever) is that there are two main pieces to population change. Migration (people moving in vs out) and natural change (births vs deaths). Natural change is the part that is not on the radar. 26,000 of the metro's gain last year was from natural change (net gain from births).

The problem for much of the country is that many areas have positive migration but have more deaths than births. We actually need more immigration for a lot of the country.