Mandated leave policy for private emplyers (Austin, Howe: sales, insurance, evictions)

[Trainwreck20]

Honestly, if there is going to be some sort of decision about making sick leave a employee right (similar to OT pay, etc), then it needs to be made at a national level. If that were done, it wouldn't be such an issue.

[CptnRn]

Originally Posted by Trainwreck20

Honestly, if there is going to be some sort of decision about making sick leave a employee right (similar to OT pay, etc), then it needs to be made at a national level. If that were done, it wouldn't be such an issue.

I could support that, there needs to be a national standard, rather than having significant variations from community to community.

[TexasRedneck]

Originally Posted by Trainwreck20

Honestly, if there is going to be some sort of decision about making sick leave a employee right (similar to OT pay, etc), then it needs to be made at a national level. If that were done, it wouldn't be such an issue.

Different jobs have different benefits. There's no "standard" - nor should there be. Again - that's between an employer and employee. Not everything benefits from socialism.

[Trainwreck20]

Originally Posted by TexasRedneck

Different jobs have different benefits. There's no "standard" - nor should there be. Again - that's between an employer and employee. Not everything benefits from socialism.

I am not saying it has to be done uniformly, but if it is going to be addressed, locally is not the answer. I am in favor of limits on child labor, mandated breaks, OSHA, etc. To call everything 'bad' because it is a central regulation is a bit silly.

[TexasRedneck]

There's a difference between safety concerns and employee benefits.

[Trainwreck20]

Originally Posted by TexasRedneck

There's a difference between safety concerns and employee benefits.

Yes, but sick leave is not clearly in one or the other, necessarily. Now, I am not saying we need to have mandatory federal sick leave, but if it was determined that maybe, say, not having waiters serving you while having the flu was in the best interest of everyone, then it should be at the top, not local.

[TexasRedneck]

Originally Posted by Trainwreck20

Yes, but sick leave is not clearly in one or the other, necessarily. Now, I am not saying we need to have mandatory federal sick leave, but if it was determined that maybe, say, not having waiters serving you while having the flu was in the best interest of everyone, then it should be at the top, not local.

There are already health laws in place that address that issue. That's part of the problem today - there are SO many laws, and so few folks that even know about them, much less follow them. Yet every time you turn around, folks want to just make ANOTHER law that no one will remember.

You know the new talking and driving law about cell phones? Did you know that was ALREADY against the law? Yeah - it's called "distracted driving" - and it's been on the books a LONG time. But rather than calling their local PD chief's on the carpet about enforcing it, city leaders preferred grandstanding and passing another law so they could talk about what THEY did.....

[Novacek]

Originally Posted by TexasRedneck

You know the new talking and driving law about cell phones? Did you know that was ALREADY against the law? Yeah - it's called "distracted driving" - and it's been on the books a LONG time.

The problem is that it's impossible to prove and incredibly subjective.


Holding a cell phone in your hand, that's objective and provable.

[Trainwreck20]

Originally Posted by TexasRedneck

There are already health laws in place that address that issue. That's part of the problem today - there are SO many laws, and so few folks that even know about them, much less follow them. Yet every time you turn around, folks want to just make ANOTHER law that no one will remember.

You know the new talking and driving law about cell phones? Did you know that was ALREADY against the law? Yeah - it's called "distracted driving" - and it's been on the books a LONG time. But rather than calling their local PD chief's on the carpet about enforcing it, city leaders preferred grandstanding and passing another law so they could talk about what THEY did.....

Yeah, the lawyers will win that one every time, hence the cell phone law(s).

I am personally not a big fan of what I call the 'no murder on Tuesday' type laws - taking something that is obviously already illegal and codifying additional restrictions. Although probably politically incorrect, the 'hate crime' law kind of falls into that category - i.e. I killed somebody because I am racist/homophobic, so a different set of rules apply than if I killed them because I was mad, jealous, or just plain stupid, etc.

But, as mentioned above, there is no concrete definition of 'distracted'. Listening to the radio? Singing along? Drinking coffee? Statistically, the 'on a phone' distraction is demonstrably a) common and b) dangerous. Citing it specifically makes it much easier to prosecute.

But back to the original topic - sick leave. I am not for or against or have even thought about it much. That type of rule/law/regulation needs to be addressed nationally, not locally. The city council should not even be in that sort of arena.

[TexasRedneck]

Originally Posted by Cantfixstupid

Sure, employers want the most compliant people to work for them. That is 101 stuff. Reality is that most jobs are terrible and wont be attracting the "best people". Remember our economy is service driven now.

Then find a better job. A terrible job beats starving to death, and SHOULD be a springboard into a better one. If you're gonna sit there and whine about it, don't expect "the gubmint" to step in and make it better FOR you. That's a large part of the problem today - folks that seem to think that because they suck air, they "deserve" things - higher pay, more benefits, etc. - without regard to the VALUE they bring to the company. I retired 3 years ago, and my old boss is still trying to get me to come back, because I got more done in a day than any two guys do now. It's called "work ethic". If you have one, you are going to rise to the top. Otherwise, yeah - you're just another number. News flash: Been that way since the pyramids were being built.