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[wp169]

How many unvaccinated hospitalized in Texas are illegals who crossed the border infected and wanted hospital care in the U.S? NYC is pnly having 3 covid hospital deaths a week on average now, but it's terrible no matter how many die.

[dicipher]

Originally Posted by KathrynAragon

I agree with all this. So glad I am at least vaccinated so my odds are even better.

So glad you do. Yeah, if you ended up in the hospital, you'd be in those normal beds that are only at 30% capacity

[wp169]

Originally Posted by KathrynAragon

Please provide a source - thanks.

The vaccinated are more likely to spread it because when they get the Delta variant they can have mild or no symptoms, so they don't get tested, and they spread the Delta variant easier. A Moderna vaccinated, asymptomatic guy in Vegas unknowingly spread covid to 60 people!


Another reason is the virus tries to fight the vaccine and becomes stronger and mutates in the vaccinated as the vaccine efficacy wanes. The vaccine might even cause the vaccinated's natural immune system to malfunction also. The vaccine only gets one part of the virus, the natural immune system gets to other parts of the virus.

The above is what I read on other sites, not my theories.

[KathrynAragon]

Originally Posted by ScoPro

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Of course the number of deaths are increasing. What I can't find is the ACTUAL DEATH RATE for the delta mutation.

[CarnivalGal]

Originally Posted by dicipher

You do realize in the Austin area there are 125 ICU beds for a population of 2.3 million, right? But you continue with that blame game. In the meantime, I'll mask up and continue to avoid crowds.

On Friday, there were only 13 available ICU beds for for the entire 11 county Austin area. That went up to 16 today. That's only 16 total ICU beds for 2.3 million people.

[Trainwreck20]

Originally Posted by KathrynAragon

Of course the number of deaths are increasing. What I can't find is the ACTUAL DEATH RATE for the delta mutation.

That won't be available for some time - Delta is too new and it will take a while to compile the data even when it trickles through to deaths. From Europe, it doesn't look to be noticeable more (or less) lethal than the previous versions.

[Austin97]

Originally Posted by CarnivalGal

KVUE reported yesterday that our ICUs are at the highest compacity since February, due to COVID patients, 95% of which are unvaccinated.

it is a bit of hand waving.

21% of the ICU patients are covid, the rest are normal ICU patients.

[Austin97]

Originally Posted by wp169

The vaccinated are more likely to spread it because when they get the Delta variant they can have mild or no symptoms, so they don't get tested, and they spread the Delta variant easier. A Moderna vaccinated, asymptomatic guy in Vegas unknowingly spread covid to 60 people!


Another reason is the virus tries to fight the vaccine and becomes stronger and mutates in the vaccinated as the vaccine efficacy wanes. The vaccine might even cause the vaccinated's natural immune system to malfunction also. The vaccine only gets one part of the virus, the natural immune system gets to other parts of the virus.

The above is what I read on other sites, not my theories.

that isnt how vaccines work. Your immune system is a giant random protein generator. You get millions of random combinations of peptide sequences that your antibodies can bind to.

When you get a vaccine you either get some viral proteins directly or you get mRNA which your body uses to produce viral proteins. Either way, it stimulates your immune system to react to viral proteins. This is slow the first time. Subsequent times you encounter the viral proteins (e.g. a booster or getting infected) your body reacts a lot faster. This prevents the virus from replicating as much as the first time.

When a virus mutates it typically is only going to change a little bit. So your immune system will still remember parts of the virus and be able to react quickly.

Over time each time the virus mutates it spreads again. People will mostly have a partial immune response which lessens the symptoms and will generate full immunity to that variant.

This is essentially what cold viruses do.

Influenza is a bit different as it has major chunks that can swap in and out cause major changes each year create dramatically different looking versions.

[Austin97]

Originally Posted by KathrynAragon

Of course the number of deaths are increasing. What I can't find is the ACTUAL DEATH RATE for the delta mutation.

i have seen preliminary estimates of .08% (about like the flu) but the articles were badly written and did a poor job of distinguishing between the CFR in the entire population vs unvaccinated people only

[dicipher]

Originally Posted by CarnivalGal

On Friday, there were only 13 available ICU beds for for the entire 11 county Austin area. That went up to 16 today. That's only 16 total ICU beds for 2.3 million people.

https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/...PT_6.16.20.pdf

page 13

My question to you is why wouldn't you think the ICU beds would fill up with such a miniscule capacity? It's just math. And I think they normally run these at about 80% capacity. Hospitals are run like businesses. Not sure what to tell you. I don't run around screaming the sky is falling when I see things like this and just look at it logically. Of course, you and I both know the hospitals aren't even close to filling up.