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To expand on your point, the U.S. domestic market is holding steady at about 17 million vehicles sold each year. The Chinese domestic market is sold about 28 million vehicles last year ( - and over the next decade there's no visible end to that market growth.
Maybe the reason why the Chinese aren't selling vehicles in the U.S. right now is because the real action is in the growing Chinese market, not the stable U.S. market.
I would agree with this. Most of the cars I see when I travel to China are unknown Chinese brands, and Chinese built Buicks, Toyotas, Nissans. Very few non-Chinese built cars in China.
Regarding those safety videos, those were for cars at the very bottom of the Chinese market back in 2012/2013. Things change quickly. Those Quros and other Chinese cars are even bit as safe as ours.
Highly unlikely in the near future. They do not build to any safety standards in China. The US has some of the most stringent in the world. Even a car made to Australian standards cannot pass a US safety standards test. The only company that makes cars that MIGHT be able to make the transition is Tata but obviously not with their wood framed trucks.
Patently untrue as iPhones and just about everything these days is made there. The only reason they aren't here because of politics and tariffs to protect domestic car sales. They can easily build cars that conforms to US safety standards. Car building is no big secret anymore, the Koreans could do it. We're buying tons of Kias and Hyundais. It's all about sourcing parts and assemble. 1/2 of assemblies done with robotics, which leaves the other 1/2 done by humans to put the loose pieces together.
They already have a capable stealth fighter and no other country in the region has them. Not even the Japanese which only have prototypes.
Maybe the reason why the Chinese aren't selling vehicles in the U.S. right now is because the real action is in the growing Chinese market, not the stable U.S. market.
That's not the criterion. Where do they make more money? Selling cars here or in China? Most Chinese cars are matchboxes worth a few grand.
Mostly in the 1960s and early 1970s right up until the 1973 oil crises. That event changed everything. However, even in the early 1980s people were making jokes at "rubber band" powered Japanese cars (timing belts).
You are showing your youth.
Again, permanence is the greatest illusion.
Thanks, but I'm not that youthful. I remember that time well. But I don't remember stories about rubber band powered Japanese cars. People loved Japanese cars. The Big 3 was in decline, and Japanese imports were increasing. When I was growing up people weren't laughing at Japanese cars. They were making jokes about Ford Pinto's exploding gas tanks. The news was filled with stories about how shoddy American manufacturing was compared to Japan, and how we had to bail out the Big 3 because they couldn't compete with the Japanese.
That's not the criterion. Where do they make more money? Selling cars here or in China? Most Chinese cars are matchboxes worth a few grand.
Actually no. The top 10 selling cars in China are:
2 minivans
5 compact sedans including a Buick, 3 VW's, and the Corolla
3 compact SUV including the Honda CR-V.
The Chery QQ you show is a city car and as such they are small just like the muliple Kei cars that are sold in Japan. Further, the QQ3 you show isn't even sold in China anymore. There is a new QQ that is sold around the world.
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That's not the criterion. Where do they make more money? Selling cars here or in China? Most Chinese cars are matchboxes worth a few grand.
That's not a Chinese car. That's an Indian Tata Nano. Most Chinese car buyers are affluent and pay cash. They no longer buy junk. China tends to not sell cheap cars for the masses because they they have enough traffic issues already. The top selling cars in China, other than a big Buick, tend to be upscale SUVs or VW Jettas / Passats.
We need to get it out of our heads that China is some sort of backwater, third world country. It is not. They have pockets of rural poverty screaming for modernization but given what I have seen over the last few months we have the same issues in the good ole US of A.
At one point the Japanese where the new kids on the block then the Korean's, so the Chinese can't be that far away. As mentioned the regulations are stricter in the U.S, but with China's rising economy they should be able to atleast meet the minimum requirements. Anyways, Any thoughts on Ssangyong(Korean) coming to the U.S. They appear to be doing ok in Europe and with KIA/Hyundai's doing pretty well now my be the time.
Ford ruled back in 87, Toyota is noticeably missing from that lost. People may have loved Japanese cars but the majority still wanted cars from the Big3.
As the flagship of the Volvo lineup, the XC90 is actually built in the Torslanda, Sweden factory. Only the Volvo S60 'Inscription' (long-wheelbase model) is built in China for export to the U.S. The majority of S60 models, along with the V60 wagon and XC60 SUV are made in Belgium.
Several of the most reputable automotive media sources compared the S60 Inscription (made in China) to the regular S60 (made i/n Belgium) when the car was introduced in late 2015. They couldn't distinguish any differences in assembly quality or materials between the two. I think this goes to prove that a car can be assembled almost anywhere. It's the engineering and quality control that are essential.
I have little doubt that Chinese car brands will eventually appear here in the U.S. Thinking back to the mid/late-80s and early 90s, I remember when Korean cars were considered junk. Hyundai and Kia have certainly made huge strides since then.
The U.S. is the second largest automobile sales market in the world, second only to China. It only makes sense that one or more of them will eventually enter this market.
Perhaps the Chinese-made Volvo XC90 destined for the U.S. market has been delayed; however, a year ago I was told by a local Volvo fleet manager (whose owner has several dealerships) that the Chinese-made XC90's would be here by now. So, there has been a delay or change to that plan, then?
It's not only a question of quality that drives my purchase decisions. The United States has a gigantic trade imbalance with China and I do all that I can not to buy products that increase that deficit. More than 40 percent of the U.S. trade deficit in goods was with China. Of course, the other overwhelming issue is that China, like Russia, is not one of our close allies. (According to some news sources, it appears we may have to make a decision between them soon ).
You are free to do as you wish, but I will not be buying a Chinese-made vehicle.
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