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Old 10-22-2009, 08:21 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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If you cannot weather some snow coming off the body of and SUV, you should not be on the road!
What about the huge sheets of ice coming off of the tractor trailers?
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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If you cannot weather some snow coming off the body of and SUV, you should not be on the road!
If you can't trouble yourself to brush off your car so you're not blinding the people behind you, you should not be on the road.
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:39 PM
 
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What about the huge sheets of ice coming off of the tractor trailers?
I clearly spoke only of snow on SUV's, try reading.

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If you can't trouble yourself to brush off your car so you're not blinding the people behind you, you should not be on the road.
I was not speaking of my habits as related to brushing off my vehicle, I was speaking of others that cannot handle uncertainty on the road.
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I clearly spoke only of snow on SUV's, try reading.



I was not speaking of my habits as related to brushing off my vehicle, I was speaking of others that cannot handle uncertainty on the road.
Nobody should have to put up with the "uncertainty" of being blinded by lazy sacks.
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Old 10-22-2009, 09:01 PM
 
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Nobody should have to put up with the "uncertainty" of being blinded by lazy sacks.
Should and reality are two different things. I do not disagree that folks should brush off their cars, and that folks should not have to deal with it. But, it happens, and if you are not ready for it, you should not be driving!
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Old 10-22-2009, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Right. People should be "prepared" to be randomly blinded by lazy jagtwits.

Uhm, no, they shouldn't. We should expect and demand a higher level of safety than that on our roads, and it reflects poorly on how casually we take automotive safety in this country that we don't.

How about we aggressively ticket people who have streams of snow pouring off their cars for creating an easily avoidable hazard? I bet if we did that, what "should be" and what "is" would come a lot closer to merging.
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Old 10-22-2009, 09:14 PM
 
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Right. People should be "prepared" to be randomly blinded by lazy jagtwits.

Uhm, no, they shouldn't. We should expect and demand a higher level of safety than that on our roads. How about we aggressively ticket people who have streams of snow pouring off their cars for creating an easily avoidable hazard? I bet if we did that, what "should be" and what "is" would come a lot closer to merging.
Fine, you can expect all other drivers to be perfect, I will not.

It is called defensive driving.

I desire the perfect world too, but it aint coming any time soon. Reality, my friend.

The only thing we disagree on here is that gap, as far as I can tell.
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Old 10-22-2009, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Fine, you can expect all other drivers to be perfect, I will not.

It is called defensive driving.

I desire the perfect world too, but it aint coming any time soon. Reality, my friend.

The only thing we disagree on here is that gap, as far as I can tell.
Defensive driving works best when people don't drive like a-holes as a matter of course.

We can bring reality closer to perfection by trying to enforce basic standards of safety. We have increasingly done so and it has brought clear results, but we're still far behind common-sense enforcement found elsewhere in the motoring industrialized world, where letting people stream sheets of snow off their cars would not be tolerated. Nor should it be.

I don't expect perfection. I do, however, expect drivers to not deliberately blind other drivers around them out of sheer bone-laziness. I hardly think that's too much to expect. But I guess we as a "me me me" nation would rather have one of the highest accident and fatality rates in the industrialized world than expect or demand a rudimentary level of consideration for others just as a matter of public safety. The simple fact of the matter is there are loads of people who have no business being on the roads but they're out there anyway because we give away drivers' licenses like they're a birthright rather than a serious responsibility. The fact that we should be expected to tolerate others deliberately impairing our vision is about a fine example of such as I can think of.
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Old 10-22-2009, 09:31 PM
 
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Defensive driving works best when people don't drive like a-holes as a matter of course.

We can bring reality closer to perfection by trying to enforce basic standards of safety. We have increasingly done so and it has brought clear results, but we're still far behind common-sense enforcement found elsewhere in the motoring industrialized world, where letting people stream sheets of snow off their cars would not be tolerated. Nor should it be.

I don't expect perfection. I do, however, expect drivers to not deliberately blind other drivers around them out of sheer bone-laziness. I hardly think that's too much to expect. But I guess we as a "me me me" nation would rather have one of the highest accident and fatality rates in the industrialized world than expect or demand a rudimentary level of consideration for others just as a matter of public safety.
I don't disagree, but you know they are out there, be prepared for it.

Enough said, if you don't understand that, I am done with it.
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Old 10-22-2009, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I don't disagree, but you know they are out there, be prepared for it.

Enough said, if you don't understand that, I am done with it.
We should not tolerate drivers deliberately impairing other drivers' vision because they can't trouble themselves with three minutes' worth of extra work. Enough said, if you don't understand that, you're part of the problem.
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