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Old 12-14-2011, 05:26 PM
 
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They were not included at all initially, because it was believed that the State Constitutions would be sufficient to protect our inherent rights. They were only added on after-the-fact at the insistence of Virginia and New York in order to get their ratification of the US Constitution.

You may find it more difficult than you think to "revoke" any of the first eight amendments. At least 38 State legislatures would have to agree to revoke or repeal the "Bill of Rights."
I never commented on feasibility, just that the government could do so legally.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I never commented on feasibility, just that the government could do so legally.
They could, in theory, remove the constitutional protections, but not the inherent rights themselves since they are not granted in the first place.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:17 PM
 
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They could, in theory, remove the constitutional protections, but not the inherent rights themselves since they are not granted in the first place.
What are these inherent rights, and why can't they restrict them?
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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What are these inherent rights, and why can't they restrict them?
What part of "inherent" do you not understand? If you were born with the ability, it is considered "inherent." Such as your inherent right to speak your mind, or your inherent right to protect yourself. Inherent rights cannot be taken away, only supressed.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:33 PM
 
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What part of "inherent" do you not understand? If you were born with the ability, it is considered "inherent." Such as your inherent right to speak your mind, or your inherent right to protect yourself. Inherent rights cannot be taken away, only supressed.
Um... okay, interesting take on the matter. If that's the case, I can call anything I want an inherent right, the government can only suppress it.

I have an inherent right to beat puppies with a satchel full of nails! The only thing the government can do is suppress it!
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Old 12-14-2011, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Um... okay, interesting take on the matter. If that's the case, I can call anything I want an inherent right, the government can only suppress it.

I have an inherent right to beat puppies with a satchel full of nails! The only thing the government can do is suppress it!
Obviously you are too stupid to comprehend the meaning of "inherent." I will just write you off as another product Outcome Based Education.
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Old 12-14-2011, 09:17 PM
 
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Obviously you are too stupid to comprehend the meaning of "inherent." I will just write you off as another product Outcome Based Education.
Are you the same one that was earlier trying to tell us the government didn't need a warrant to search if it had probable cause, and that it didn't need probable cause for a warrant?

It's not my fault you like to pretend you understand things you know nothing of. I was just making fun of you for arbitrarily making up what rights are inherent. But, hey, I know - let's try insulting the other person! Maybe they won't recognize that you're full of B.S!.. Jesus, and I'm supposed to be the stupid one.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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Cite?

Why should three hundred million americans be treated as "suspected terrorists" because of a singular incident?
Why do you think our major cities have streets and subways that are much, much safer?

When I walk down the street I do not feel like a suspected terrorist. I do see unsavory characters eying people, but that's all they do anymore because there are cameras everywhere. Even the Bloods and Crypts are getting into cyber crime because street crime no longer pays.

The police, although there are some violations, are much more honest than they used to be, too.

Hooray, I say!
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Big Brother is watching.... This is ridiculous. Now you can have no expectation of privacy even in your own back yard!! What's next? Where is the line drawn? If this doesn't bother you there is something terribly wrong.
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Old 12-18-2011, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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Big Brother is watching.... This is ridiculous. Now you can have no expectation of privacy even in your own back yard!! What's next? Where is the line drawn? If this doesn't bother you there is something terribly wrong.
In some idealized world, this is truly troubling, but in actual practice, I'll vote for a safe community, better police, less drug crime and street prostitutes, etc.

New York almost changed overnight since 911, and it is from all the extra technology and federal forces intervening.
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