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Old 03-30-2014, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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It is a real possibility that they may never find this plane until they develop ways to locate it in the future. The way this has played out, most notably the mistakes made by the Malaysian authorities from not knowing how to use radar to commanding relatives to "grieve" is nauseating.
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Old 03-30-2014, 10:09 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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With the search so close to Austrailia now........was anything ever said about Austrailian radar ever picking up anything on their equipment?


Seems everyone was not expecting any airplanes in this part of the world other than their own.......I don't believe in this day and age any of these country's in the disappearance area have to worry about getting invaded or attacked, but it surely shows the weaknesses in everyone's air detection systems.
Maybe that was the point of it. To show where the weaknesses were, for some future action. Let's hope countries beef up their military radar surveillance after this incident.

For all we know, they plane could be in Central Asia somewhere, as originally thought, or crashed on its way there.
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Old 03-30-2014, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Maybe that was the point of it. To show where the weaknesses were, for some future action. Let's hope countries beef up their military radar surveillance after this incident.

For all we know, they plane could be in Central Asia somewhere, as originally thought, or crashed on its way there.
With something like this not a lot of countries are going to be real forthcoming with what they could see or not see in regards to this airplane and their air defense radar systems. If some country says they saw the airplane 2000 miles out at sea with their radar, that's going to let every member of the international intelligence community know the type of radar system that country has. These new "credible leads" could easily be something like Australia letting the US know they saw something but to discreetly pass it along to the other parties of the search teams.

On the other hand, if the plane flew over a country like Pakistan or India or wherever and no one saw it, it also tells a lot about that country's air defense system. "Hey look. Pakistan's radar can't see below 200 feet... Next time we gotta go in and snatch a high profile terrorist, why don't we take some stealth helicopters full of Navy SEALs, fly through the air corridors of substantial weakness, below 200 feet and they'll never know we were there. Then, we'll land in some place like Abottabad...."

I know the plane has been missing for three weeks or more but you have to understand that aviation is a very complex subject and very little the news has reported on has been accurate in terms of how these aircraft systems work. There are a plethora of likely mechanical or pilot errors that could explain this better than a stolen aircraft and terrorism. Don't let the news sucker you into these drastic, highly unlikely explanations.

I've done my best to correct as many errors as I could find in these forums to correct a lot of the errors I've seen. I'll make another post when I have time trying to better compile and address them.
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Old 03-30-2014, 02:05 PM
 
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On the other hand, if the plane flew over a country like Pakistan or India or wherever and no one saw it, it also tells a lot about that country's air defense system.
This is exactly what I mean. We now know the plane flew over Thai airspace, and the Thais were asleep at the wheel....or, radar. Same with the plane nearing Andaman Island. It was close to, possibly briefly in, Indian airspace. So, if those countries are concerned with that at all, they should take steps to remedy that lapse.
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Old 03-30-2014, 02:10 PM
 
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This is exactly what I mean. We now know the plane flew over Thai airspace, and the Thais were asleep at the wheel....or, radar. Same with the plane nearing Andaman Island. It was close to, possibly briefly in, Indian airspace. So, if those countries are concerned with that at all, they should take steps to remedy that lapse.
I'm sure they will but you're not going to hear about it. It's not like the Thai's are going to say "We replaced those radar towers to our south with the 'See-It-All 9000' and we also executed the guy who was supposed to be watching the radar tower the night MH370 flew over."
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Old 03-30-2014, 02:24 PM
 
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I'm sure they will but you're not going to hear about it. It's not like the Thai's are going to say "We replaced those radar towers to our south with the 'See-It-All 9000' and we also executed the guy who was supposed to be watching the radar tower the night MH370 flew over."
I wouldn't expect them to make a public announcement. We're discussing this in the context of this being an incident that revealed to countries their weaknesses. For that, it was useful. Now they know what they need to do to prevent some future attempt to do worse than this plane did.
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Old 03-30-2014, 07:52 PM
 
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Old 03-30-2014, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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If they find confirmed debri, won't they be able to get a general area where it went down (computer models, etc) and then comb through satellite images 12 hours after the plane went missing in that area to zero in on the debris field?

I would hope that people are looking at satellite images taken on March 9th in the south Indian Ocean. Someone has to find it.
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Old 03-30-2014, 08:56 PM
 
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There's a ton of trash in the ocean to pick through. The debris from the plane could have combined with a pre-existing debris field by now. That's IF the plane went down in the ocean at all, and if it went down in the southern ocean as opposed to closer to Indonesia/Malaysia.
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Old 03-30-2014, 09:02 PM
 
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Default "ibm engineer taken from hijacked flight 370 got a selfie out to the internet"

I would like to see a discussion about this:

IBM ENGINEER TAKEN FROM HIJACKED FLIGHT 370 GOT A SELFIE OUT TO THE INTERNET.

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