Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 missing with 239 aboard.

[JBtwinz]

This reminds me of a story many years ago but somewhat familiar.

Craig D. Button - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It freaked the military out that the plane could not be found quickly and live munitions were on board.

[snowmountains]

"In Shah's house a flight simulator has been set up and is understood to have interested police following up one line of investigation - that he had used the equipment to practice making his real-life Boeing 777 ‘invisible’ by turning off all communications." (link)

Now that's the most telling piece of information I've read so far.

[afoigrokerkok]

Originally Posted by ssww

"In Shah's house a flight simulator has been set up and is understood to have interested police following up one line of investigation - that he had used the equipment to practice making his real-life Boeing 777 ‘invisible’ by turning off all communications." (link)

Now that's the most telling piece of information I've read so far.

If that's true there's about a 99.9% chance he is responsible. But why? And where did he take the plane? If he crashed it, why did he fly for hours first?

[SluggoF16]

Originally Posted by JBtwinz

This reminds me of a story many years ago but somewhat familiar.

Craig D. Button - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It freaked the military out that the plane could not be found quickly and live munitions were on board.

It did quite a bit. I was the Supervisor of Flying for the wing that day at another USAF installation in Arizona. Capt Button threw a lot of folks off by dumping one or more of his live weapons near Roosevelt Lake, east of Phoenix; the seismic disturbance was triangulated to that area, and the search consequently was concentrated there. By then flying low in areas without good radar coverage, and not a lot of population, he was able to make it to Colorado undetected where he flew the Hog into the mountain.

It IS somewhat similar to the Malaysia 777. (Apparently) intentional shutdown of tracking systems, a flight route that avoids radar. Searches in the wrong area because of last-best data.

[snowmountains]

Originally Posted by afoigrokerkok

If that's true there's about a 99.9% chance he is responsible. But why?

For some reason, maybe from the photo of Shah, I always have a feeling he's a prankster. Maybe he's been preparing for this biggest prank of his life for many years.

[Three Wolves In Snow]

Originally Posted by calicali01

Gameel Al Batouti was a crazed nut and I get angered just thinking about how his family along with the Egyptian government refused to even entertain the idea that Gameel al Batouti made deliberate inputs into the flight controls to deliberately crash EgyptAir Flight 990.





In the event of a plane crash, the situation would effect everyone differently. From what I know, people are fully aware, but very fearful to the point of some people soiling themselves. I have heard the last moments of a flight recorder and it made my hair stand up on the back my neck.

As far as your second question. There have been major crashes where experts have said the crash was unsurvivable, but people still survived. Japan Airlines Flight 123 is a good example. People who have survived from a unsurvivable crash were either in the last few rows of the plane (economy class) where the g forces experienced are much less, or they were sitting in the middle of the plane where huge girdles support the wings. The flight deck, and 1st class area is the worse area to be during a plane crash due to the sudden stop g forces experienced.

To survive a plane crash it all depends on the speed. Silk Air 185 had no survivors as the plane did a vertical dive and flew full power into the Musi River which caused the plane to disintegrate on impact. Any human remains are then eaten by marine life.

You can find those on YouTube. Not something I prefer to hear again.

[JBtwinz]

Originally Posted by afoigrokerkok

If that's true there's about a 99.9% chance he is responsible. But why? And where did he take the plane? If he crashed it, why did he fly for hours first?

Unless he was so passionate and self immersed into flying (having the personal simulators) that he wanted to experience the ultimate........single handily flying his own personal Boeing 777 to whatever direction he wanted to fly by locking himself into the cockpit.

But that is too crazy a plot or scenario.

The man obviously lived vicariously for flying in and out of work....passion or obsession?

[joeymags]

Why are people so caught up on the cell phone thing? If this is truly a sinister plot and let's say it was landed some where, they takes significant planning, resources, and intelligence. I'm sure if that were the case, the bad guys would have something that could block or jam all cell phone transmission.

[alaskaboy]

Originally Posted by calicali01

Gameel Al Batouti was a crazed nut and I get angered just thinking about how his family along with the Egyptian government refused to even entertain the idea that Gameel al Batouti made deliberate inputs into the flight controls to deliberately crash EgyptAir Flight 990.





In the event of a plane crash, the situation would effect everyone differently. From what I know, people are fully aware, but very fearful to the point of some people soiling themselves. I have heard the last moments of a flight recorder and it made my hair stand up on the back my neck.

As far as your second question. There have been major crashes where experts have said the crash was unsurvivable, but people still survived. Japan Airlines Flight 123 is a good example. People who have survived from a unsurvivable crash were either in the last few rows of the plane (economy class) where the g forces experienced are much less, or they were sitting in the middle of the plane where huge girdles support the wings. The flight deck, and 1st class area is the worse area to be during a plane crash due to the sudden stop g forces experienced.

To survive a plane crash it all depends on the speed. Silk Air 185 had no survivors as the plane did a vertical dive and flew full power into the Musi River which caused the plane to disintegrate on impact. Any human remains are then eaten by marine life.

Pilots very last words before impact: Last words


PSA "Ma I love you."

Air Florida "Larry, we're going down, Larry.... I know it!"

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ATC04 Apr 1977Southern Airways242 We’re going to do it right here.11 Feb 1978 Pacific Western Airlines 314 He's the emergency he's crashed and is burning off the end of the runway.ATC25 Sep 1978Pacific Southwest Airlines182 Ma I love you. 23 Dec 1978 Alitalia 4128 So he gave us wrong indications. We thought we were to the left. 28 Dec 1978 United Airlines 173 United 173, Mayday! We're... the engines are flaming out - we're going down! ATC 25 May 1979 American Airlines 191 Look at this. He blew up an engine. Equipment. We need equipment. 28 Nov 1979Air New Zealand901 Actually, these conditions don't look very good at all, do they? 19Aug 1980Saudi Arabian Airlines163 No need for that, we are okay, no problem, no problem. CVR13 Jan 1982Air Florida90 Larry, we're going down, Larry.... I know it!01 Sep 1983 Korean Airlines 007 What's happened? CVR02 Aug 1985Delta Air Lines191 Push it way up. CVR 12 Aug 1985Japan Airlines123 All hydraulics failed.BDCST22 Oct 1986 WNBC news copter - ...hit the water...hit the water...hit the water. 08 Jun 1988 VASP 168 What? There's what? Some hills, isn't there? 31 Aug 1986Aeromexico498 Oh #### this can't be!Oh #### this can't be! 09 May 1987LOT Polish Airlines 5055Goodnight, Goodbye, We Perish! 28 Nov 1987South African Airways295 We have, er, a smoke problem and we are doing an emergency descent!ATC28 Apr 1988Aloha Airlines243 We cannot communicate with the flight attendants. 26 Jun 1988Air France296Q Watch out for those pylons ahead, eh. See them? Yeah, yeah, don't worry.CVR31 Aug 1988 Delta Airlines 1141 We got an engine failure. We're not gonna make it. Full power.. 08 Feb 1989 Independent Air 1851 Can't keep this SOB thing straight up and down. 24 Feb 1989United Airlines811 What the hell was that? I don't know. 07 Jun 1989Surinam Airways764 That's it I'm dead.CVR19 JUl 1989 United Airlines 232 Nah, I can't pull 'em off or we'll lose it, that's what's turning ya. 25 Jan 1990AVIANCA052 Flame out! Flame out on engine number four. 01 Feb 1991 USAir/Skywest 1493/5569 Okay, we just had a seven thirty-seven land and blow up 03 Mar 1991United Airlines 585 Oh, God ... flip! 26 May 1991Lauda Air004 Ah, reverser's deployed.ATC04 Oct 1992 El Al 1862 Going down...eh...1862, going down, going down, copied going down? 21 Dec 1992Martinair495 A bit low, bit low, bit low. 31 Mar 1993Japan Airlines46E Lost number one and two. 18 Aug 1993 American Int. Airways 808 There it goes, there it goes! Oh no! 04 Apr 1994 KLM Cityhopper 195 Watch your speed. Going around. 26 Apr 1994China Airlines140 It's OK, It's OK, don't hurry, don't hurry. 02 Jul 1994 USAir 1016 Down, push it down. 08 Sep 1994USAir427 Hang on. What the hell is this? 31 Oct 1994American Eagle4134 OK, mellow it out, mellow it out. 13 Dec 1994American Eagle3379 Why's that ignition light on? We just had a flame-out? 21 Aug 1995Atlantic Southeast Airlines529 Amy, I love you. 22 Sept 1995U.S. Air Force27 Crash landing. We're goin' in. We're going down. 20 Dec 1995American Airlines965 Uh.. where are we. 06 Feb 1996Birgenair301 Oh what's happeningATC11 May 1996Valujet592 Uh, smoke in the cockpit... smoke in the cabin. ATC17 Jul 1996TWA800 I think that was him. I think so. God bless him. 29 Aug 1996 Vnokovo Airlines2601 Mountains!!! 02 Oct 1996Aeroperu603 What **** have they done? 19 Nov 1996United Express5925 What, oooh ###. Oh ### me.ATC06 Aug 1997 Korean Air 801 Well, he must have crashed then. 26 Sep 1997Garuda Indonesia Airlines152 Aaaaaa. Allah Akbar. 16 Feb 1998China Airlines676 Oh my God! Oh my God!ATC02 Sep 1998Swissair111 And we are declaring emergency now Swissair one eleven. 01 Jun 1999American Airlines1420 Aw ####, we're off course...we're way off. 31 Oct 1999Egypt Air990 I rely on God 13 Jan 2000 Avisto - OK we are ditching.ATC31 Jan 2000Alaska Airlines261 Ah here we go. 17 Jul 2000Indian/Alliance Airlines7412 Would like to do one 360 due to high on approach Sir. 19 Jul 2000Airwave Transport 9807What the #### is going on? 25 Jul 2000Air France4590 Concorde forty-five ninety you have flames, you have flames behind you. 31 Oct 2000 Singapore Airlines 006#### something there. 04 Jul 2001 Vladivostokavia 352That’s all guys! ****! 11 Sep 2001United Airlines 93When they all come, we finish it off. 12 Nov 2001American Airlines587 What the hell are we into. We're stuck in it. 08 Nov 2002Richmor Aviation-Oh # what's that. 22 Jun 2003 Brit Air 5572 I have nothing in front of me. 03 Jan 2004Flash Air 604See what the aircraft did! 27 Aug 2006Comair5191That's weird with no lights. 01 Jun 2009Air France447Damn it, we're going to crash... This can't be happening! ATC15 Jan 2009US Airways 1549We're gonna be in the Hudson.12 Feb 2009Continental Express 3407We're down. ATC04 Apr 2010Polish Air Force 1549F*ckkkkkk

[syracusa]

Originally Posted by calicali01

In the event of a plane crash, the situation would effect everyone differently. From what I know, people are fully aware, but very fearful to the point of some people soiling themselves. I have heard the last moments of a flight recorder and it made my hair stand up on the back my neck.
e.

So it's not just about dying risk. It's also about type of death.

Never mind the airline industry had made an art out of lying with statistics
; but even assuming they are right when they say air travel is the safest (it's not), does anyone care about what those unfortunate souls go through right before their deaths?