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I agree with those who say we're still pretty much at Square One, or Square One-and-a Half, re: knowing what happened or where the plane is, until they find something that is clearly and unequivocally debris from a plane. We have NO CONCRETE REASON to believe that the debris off of Australia is related to this accident. That is the sad fact. Which means we don't know for sure that the plane turned south. We don't know that it's not somewhere else. We don't know if the passengers are alive or dead.
We can choose to believe the plane went down in the south Indian Ocean. But we don't know. The 7 hours of pinging could have occurred elsewhere, it doesn't prove the plane went down in the south. The south ocean crash scenario may be the most likely one, but until they pull up a plane part, we can't say we know.
Last edited by Ruth4Truth; 03-25-2014 at 03:21 PM..
Originally Posted by AADAD
Here we have the PM of a country demanding that families grieve without one actual shread of actual evidence.
What does that tell us?
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I think it's actually a reasonable thing to do. The plane has been missing for going on three solid weeks. I fully believe the mathematics behind it because I do understand the math of doppler effects, satellite triangulation, and the like. It's actually a very cogent and reasonable explanation.
Most human beings around the world appear to disagree with the "reasonable thing to do" part. Vehemently. What does that tell you?
The most knowledgeable is, Les Abend, a 777 Captain, who also writes a column for Flying Magazine. Even with him, the reporters lead him into areas beyond his area of expertise. At least he's humble enough to state he doesn't know. A good example was when asked what would have to be done in the avionics bay, to disable the ACARS. He stated, as a 777 Captain he's "never been down there" and "doesn't know any pilots who have".
What Abend has to say about the possibility of a mechanical malfunction.
Opinion: updated 12:24 PM EDT, Tue March 25, 2014
By Les Abend
A lot of focus has been on the fact that the crew did not communicate the problem. Maybe they did attempt to declare a "mayday." Had the primary radios been destroyed by fire? Or more likely, the communication went unheard because the airspace where the malfunction occurred was just out of the range of normal VHF communications, in addition to being just outside Ho Chi Minh Center's radar.
Further detailed analysis by Abend is in the article.
Concerning what the oil rigger said, if he saw the plane turn and drop it would look like the plane went down.
Maybe this is stupid but I really would like for someone to tell me if the batteries could have been burning and burnt right through leaving a hole in the plane, falling entirely out of the plane???
Divorced. Estranged. Whatever the case may be it is not a happy blissful relationship.
Further detailed analysis by Abend is in the article.
That makes sense to me. Probably an electrical fire that produced a lot of smoke, fouled the air, and any controls just went haywire so there was nothing they could do. If it was just a small fire they probably thought they could get it under control but they were wrong. To me, one other theory, that of pilot suicide, is a distant second but still a possibility.
That makes sense to me. Probably an electrical fire that produced a lot of smoke, fouled the air, and any controls just went haywire so there was nothing they could do. If it was just a small fire they probably thought they could get it under control but they were wrong. To me, one other theory, that of pilot suicide, is a distant second but still a possibility.
Even if that does turn out to be the case, it is absolutely remarkable that that could all happen and not down the plane. It went on to fly for seven more hours. Just incredible, if true. Without a doubt one of the best-timed, most coincidental accident of all time.
OK, so now the pilot flew NW to the Bay of Bengal where he turns towards the southern Indian Ocean. We know that because that is where the plane ended up according to Inmarsat. Problem: Safety is not in that direction at all so why turn south? And if he was so disoriented that he flew past Langkawi and past Andaman Island, yes he manages to turn perfectly south.
Now the pilot flies the plane for 7+ hours dead south until he runs out of fuel, despite being disoriented from smoke. Or it is on autopilot, but if it is on autopilot, why did he program in a route that goes to the most remote ocean in the world? Besides, how did the autopilot survive the fire/explosion?
As some of us have suggested before, it might have been because he was a decent human being, not a suicidal terrorist, who knew the plane was lost. He may have been dying himself. He wanted it to crash away from populated areas. Why take out 100's more if it crashed on a city?
As some of us have suggested before, it might have been because he was a decent human being, not a suicidal terrorist, who knew the plane was lost. He may have been dying himself. He wanted it to crash away from populated areas. Why take out 100's more if it crashed on a city?
This is what I was thinking. It almost starts to add up, when you take what "in newengland" said, and combine it with the above, it starts to fit.
Still, their training should have taught them to NOT try to put out a fire themselves, and to land the plane. Crossing the Malay Peninsula, there were available airfields, and there was the one on Palua Lankawi. The plane was flying low, so it would have been easy to land. Unless they were blinded by smoke, and their communications equipment with control towers was down. But if they were flying blind, they wouldn't have been able to fly safely at such a low altitude.
There are still a few inconsistencies, but the theory almost fits.
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