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Old 12-31-2014, 06:44 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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What is vexing is that this plane was the same type in the Miracle on the Hudson incident 6 years ago. It is tragic to think the pilots may have pulled off a similar miracle, only to have everyone drown during the 20+ hour search.
Just because pilot Sullenburger pulled of the Hudson River landing and made it look easy doesn't mean it IS easy, and that a feat like that can be done on open ocean. It just so happens that Sullenburger had been teaching how to do a water landing for years, and had studied films of attempted water landings (ocean ones, mainly). So he'd figured out why they tended to fail, and what how they needed to be done in order to be successful. He pretty much invented that "art", and began teaching it to others. Also, he was lucky in that the problem with the plane he was flying happened over a river instead of the ocean. A river is relatively smooth, even in windy conditions, whereas an ocean always has swells in addition to whatever surface phenomena are occurring due to wind conditions.

A perfect water landing, or ANY water landing, like Sullenburger's is an extremely rare thing and requires great skill, training, and presence of mind. With good reason it was called a miracle.
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Old 12-31-2014, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Just because pilot Sullenburger pulled of the Hudson River landing and made it look easy doesn't mean it IS easy, and that a feat like that can be done on open ocean. It just so happens that Sullenburger had been teaching how to do a water landing for years, and had studied films of attempted water landings (ocean ones, mainly). So he'd figured out why they tended to fail, and what how they needed to be done in order to be successful. He pretty much invented that "art", and began teaching it to others. Also, he was lucky in that the problem with the plane he was flying happened over a river instead of the ocean. A river is relatively smooth, even in windy conditions, whereas an ocean always has swells in addition to whatever surface phenomena are occurring due to wind conditions.

A perfect water landing, or ANY water landing, like Sullenburger's is an extremely rare thing and requires great skill, training, and presence of mind. With good reason it was called a miracle.
Some are thinking that their was a mid air explosion which makes any water landing mute..
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Old 12-31-2014, 09:02 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Some are thinking that their was a mid air explosion which makes any water landing mute..
If explosion, why do some passengers have on life jackets? (At least a report I heard from Asia mentioned a victim wearing a life jacket)
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Old 12-31-2014, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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If explosion, why do some passengers have on life jackets? (At least a report I heard from Asia mentioned a victim wearing a life jacket)
Either way, its mute.
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Old 12-31-2014, 11:39 PM
 
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Either way, its mute.
Moot. It's spelled moot.
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Old 12-31-2014, 11:53 PM
 
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Either way, its mute.
The word mute is from Old French muet "dumb" from Latin mutus "silent, speechless".
The word moot is from Old English gemot "meeting" which gradually became an assembly. Law students tested their skills in mock cases which became moot cases. The word gradually became to be associated with debatable, or hypothetical, or "not worth considering" often simply "overtaken by events".

The Modern English language is full of words that either came from Ole English or Old Norwegian which are the most common words. But most of the vocabulary is from French and ultimately derives from Latin. This vocabulary came from the Norman conquest of England in 1066.
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Old 01-01-2015, 12:34 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Data Suggest Plane Climbed Too High, Too Fast

Radar data being examined by investigators appeared to show that AirAsia Flight QZ8501 made an "unbelievably" steep climb before it crashed, possibly pushing it beyond the Airbus A320's limits, said a source familiar with the probe's initial findings.

The data was transmitted before the aircraft disappeared from the screens of air traffic controllers in Jakarta on Sunday, added the source, who declined to be identified.

Data point to 'unbelievably' steep climb before AirAsia crash: source | Reuters
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Old 01-01-2015, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Wake County, NC
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Data Suggest Plane Climbed Too High, Too Fast

Radar data being examined by investigators appeared to show that AirAsia Flight QZ8501 made an "unbelievably" steep climb before it crashed, possibly pushing it beyond the Airbus A320's limits, said a source familiar with the probe's initial findings.

The data was transmitted before the aircraft disappeared from the screens of air traffic controllers in Jakarta on Sunday, added the source, who declined to be identified.

Data point to 'unbelievably' steep climb before AirAsia crash: source | Reuters
It was also mentioned that their airspeed was too low before their ascent. Some people are speculating that this was a similar incident to the Air France Flight 447 where the pitot tube froze. For those who don't know the pitot measures airspeed.
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Old 01-01-2015, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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The word mute is from Old French muet "dumb" from Latin mutus "silent, speechless".
The word moot is from Old English gemot "meeting" which gradually became an assembly. Law students tested their skills in mock cases which became moot cases. The word gradually became to be associated with debatable, or hypothetical, or "not worth considering" often simply "overtaken by events".

The Modern English language is full of words that either came from Ole English or Old Norwegian which are the most common words. But most of the vocabulary is from French and ultimately derives from Latin. This vocabulary came from the Norman conquest of England in 1066.
In France, one says ca m'et egal. Literally translated "that leaves me equal". But to most it is typical spoken with a pursed lip exhalation of a small amount of carbon dioxide from the mouth and not the nose. Its meaning derived from thousands of years of French people swearing while drinking incredible AND cheap wine means.

i don't give a **** either way.
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Old 01-01-2015, 11:19 AM
 
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It was also mentioned that their airspeed was too low before their ascent. Some people are speculating that this was a similar incident to the Air France Flight 447 where the pitot tube froze. For those who don't know the pitot measures airspeed.
I thought tubes were fixed on airbuses after 447?
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