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Old 03-28-2015, 04:20 AM
 
Location: Vik
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Lubitz was probably very much at peace the last minutes, my guess is that he didn`t hear the banging on the door or anything else. He blocked it out. He had planned this for quite a while, and was waiting for the right moment.

Very possible that he also sedated himself to carry out the act.

His former girlfriend paints a picture of a very disturbed person - and Lubitz told her that he was going to go down in history and be remembered.

It is very alarming that the systems did not catch up with Lubitz, but then again he was very good at covering up his mental problems.
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Old 03-28-2015, 05:31 AM
 
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The headsets worn by the crew are not what picked up the breathing. There are several area microphones in the cockpit that, to be quite honest, are very difficult to find. Heck, even during the rare times when I have to fix one, I have to pull up an illustration to figure out where they're all at. They're so tiny and we don't mess with them that often... But, that's where the recordings come from. Generally speaking, two of them are right in front of each flight crew member and I'd be surprised if most pilots knew where they were even considering how much time they spend in the cockpit.
According to the following site, recordings taken by area micrphones are difficult to understand due to ambient background noise: Flying Lessons: Why Listening to Germanwings CVR is Not So Simple

It still seems a bit odd to me that the FO would have been wearing his headset which supposedly picked up the sound of his breathing. After all, he seems to have had no intention of responding to calls from ATC.

I can only assume he dosed himself up with Diazepam or something and became unconscious soon afterwards.
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Old 03-29-2015, 10:47 AM
 
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There are several area microphones in the cockpit that, to be quite honest, are very difficult to find.
You would want their location to be hard to find so they can't be disabled. Pilots may cover them up even if they want to tell a good sex story.

It's too bad there is not some kind of automatic override if the pilot does something extreme. It's not like he was changing the altitude by 10%.

This murder may have a severe effect on the expanding regional jet business. The Sukhoi Superjet from Russia, the Bombardiers from Canada, the Embraers from Brazil, the Mitsubishi Regional Jet from Japan, and the Comac Xiangfeng from China. Concerns about keeping two qualified people in the cockpit at all times will make operating these smaller jets more expensive.

This flight was a mere 726 miles.
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Old 03-29-2015, 11:06 AM
 
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It's too bad there is not some kind of automatic override if the pilot does something extreme. It's not like he was changing the altitude by 10%.

This murder may have a severe effect on the expanding regional jet business. The Sukhoi Superjet from Russia, the Bombardiers from Canada, the Embraers from Brazil, the Mitsubishi Regional Jet from Japan, and the Comac Xiangfeng from China. Concerns about keeping two qualified people in the cockpit at all times will make operating these smaller jets more expensive.

This flight was a mere 726 miles.
What about like what happened to us the other day: cleared from 33000 ft to 2000 ft. That's a huge difference, but in certain parts of the world such clearances aren't uncommon. Also with rnav arrivals the feed into specific approaches, when cleared to descend via, we enter the lowest, final altitude (ie faf alt) on the procedure into the flight guidance panel in order for the vnav to descend properly. That also involves being at cruise altitudes and setting a very low altitude into the systems.

Also, in the US, the two person rule hasn't affected the regional market. They've been operating just fine with it in place for yrs.
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Old 05-06-2015, 04:45 AM
 
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France: Lubitz tried controlled descent on previous flight
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Old 05-06-2015, 09:46 AM
 
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I "try controlled descents" on every flight.

IMHO, they're vastly preferable to uncontrolled descents!
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Old 05-06-2015, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Naples, FL
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The point is - this idiot practiced a suicide-goal descent in a flight earlier that day. It was his trial run, so to speak. He went down-and-up-and-down-and-up in a way the passengers didn't notice. He was planning on taking out a whole plane of innocent people in a future flight.
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Old 05-06-2015, 10:11 AM
 
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The point is - this idiot practiced a suicide-goal descent in a flight earlier that day. It was his trial run, so to speak. He went down-and-up-and-down-and-up in a way the passengers didn't notice. He was planning on taking out a whole plane of innocent people in a future flight.
Not sure why he'd need to "practice" any of that, since "controlled descents" are (hopefully), SOP everywhere.

Changing the FMC descent profile, for a variety of non suicidal reasons, is also pretty standard stuff.

Since his intent was to crash the airplane, all he had to do was shut the engines down and wait.

FWIW, the pax might not have noticed multiple altitude deviations, but ATC most certainly would have.
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Old 05-06-2015, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Saint Louis, MO
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heard this "news" on the radio this morning...maybe one of the dumbest things I heard and now read...pilots control the descent in every instance. Yes, it's unusual to set it to an altitude 100 feet above sea level, but not unheard of. Either way, we all know you can change the altitude selector to whatever value you want (within the parameters of the software), so why is it news?
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Old 05-06-2015, 03:32 PM
 
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The point is - this idiot practiced a suicide-goal descent in a flight earlier that day. It was his trial run, so to speak. He went down-and-up-and-down-and-up in a way the passengers didn't notice. He was planning on taking out a whole plane of innocent people in a future flight.
I think he just changed the preselected altitude. He didn't actually change the operating altitude.

Really it's a moot point, news flash, pilots have 100% control of the airplane. And 99.99999999999999% of the time they do it with the utmost in professionalism and safety. It beats the alternative (driving) by a humongous amount.
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