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Originally Posted by lieqiang
Russian dominance. LOL.
F-15A/C/I/S Eagle 102-0-0
Gulf War (USA) 32-0-0
Gulf War (Saudi Arabia) 2-0-0
Northern Watch, Southern Watch, Desert Fox (USA) 2-0-0
Bosnia (USA) 0-0-0
Kosovo (USA) 4-0-0
Afghanistan (USA) 0-0-0
Iraq (USA) 0-0-0
Syrian border clashes 1979-1981 (Israel) 19-0-0
Operation Opera (Israel) 0-0-0
Lebanon War (1982) (Israel) 38-0-0
Lebanon War 1982-2000 (Israel) 4-0-0
Lebanon War (2006) (Israel) 0-0-0
Iran Gulf Clash 1984 (Saudi Arabia) 1-0-0
MiG-29 6-18-1
Lebanon War 1982-2000 (Syria) 0-2-0
Gulf War (Iraq) 0-5-0
Transnistra War (Moldova, Russia) 0-0-0
Brothers in Rescue incident (Cuba) 2-0-0
Slovenian War (Yugoslavia) 0-0-0
Croatian War (Yugoslavia) 0-0-0
Bosnia (Serbia) 0-0-0
Kosovo (Serbia) 0-6-0
Kargil War (India) 0-0-0
Ethiopian-Eritrean War (Eritrea) 3-5-0
Georgian border violation 2008 (Russia) 1-0-0
Darfur War (Sudan) 0-0-1
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What are you trying to show here? How does the US attack weak countries, with a weak PWO and the old fleet of aircraft? and you want to show that this is excellence? The US always starts with the Tamagawalk and always avoids a direct clash both on the ground and in the air. so it was in Yugoslavia. when 3 aircraft were at the same time confronting one old moment 29, while when they worked on the ground for a while, in other circumstances, the planes simply ran and stayed away.
What do your numbers mean? Did you write them yourself? want to show the reality? can stop writing nonsense here?Where did you put the planes F15 that were destroyed in Yugoslavia and Iraq,Siria?
Even 100 confirmed aerial victories can not serve as an objective criterion of technical superiority. Among the "victims" of the F-15, at best, only nine front-line fighters of the fourth generation. The rest of the destroyed aircraft - various modifications of MiG-21, MiG-23, Su-22, Mirage F.1 - i.e. obsolete airplanes of 2-3 generations, by now practically completely removed from armament in all countries of the world.
Export modifications of the MiG-29, which were in service with Iraq and the FRY (note the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia). All the victories were won by the F-15 pilots with overwhelming quantitative superiority and using external target designation - against a single, desperately brave MiG, who ventured to get into the air, a well-functioning system of several combat groups ("bait", "ambush", cover group ). The whole company was getting accurate data about the air situation from the E-3 Sentry drills, while the EF-111 Raven and EC-130 Compass Compared at low altitude literally tore the air with squalls of electronic interference - do not win in such conditions it would simply be embarrassing.
Speaking specifically about the "Eagle", then to a lesser extent. F-15, in contrast to the domestic Su-27, had a classical aerodynamic scheme, without any "integral solutions" and "static instabilities." It is no coincidence that it is so often compared with the MiG-25.
in July of the same year - on 29.07.1981 a pair of Israeli F-15s was hit by the Syrian MiG-25. One plane was shot down, the second was damaged (according to some information, he never reached the airbase and crashed in the desert).
The 1982 war in general turned into a fierce carnage - only during the first week of active fighting the Syrian Air Force destroyed in the air battles 42 Israeli aircraft, including at least five F-15 and six F-16 first modifications. Another 27 planes were shot down by fire from Syrian SAMs with Soviet calculations.
Hel Haavir acknowledged these losses?
Of course no. Representatives of the Israeli Air Force persistently insist on the version of the destruction of 102 Syrian airplanes over the Bekaa valley in exchange for the loss of the only Kfir fighter-bomber. This sounds even funnier than the 104 air F-15 victories without a single defeat.
I wonder how the Israeli Air Force will explain this picture
https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2013...-15strange.jpg
Imagine, he himself F-15. On November 22, 1995, the Japanese F-15J accidentally "decided" each other during an aerial combat training. Captain Tatsumi managed to catapult safely. Clearly, this case, like many others, was not included in the "official statistics" of the combat use of the F-15.
In Iraq, officially (!) Was lost two fighter-bomber F-15E "Strike Eagle". Alas, this is the F-15 with the "E" index - just one of the many modifications of the F-15, so it can not be included in the official statistics (here are the sharers!). And how many "Orlov" were shot unofficially - go now prove, the territory of Iraq is under American occupation. All the debris has long been removed or buried deep in the sand. The same thing happened with your Abrams in Iraq.
Are you talking about the one that fell in a suburb of Benghazi on March 22, 2011? Supporters of Colonel Gaddafi "removed" it from conventional MANPADS. As for Yugoslavia, everything is quite vague there. F-15 fought to death with the Serbian MiG-29, losses were on both sides. MiG-29 is an extremely dangerous enemy, this factor can not be ignored. There is a well-known video taken in the vicinity of the Aviano airbase (Italy) - after returning from a combat mission over the territory of Serbia, one of the "Eagles" behaves oddly in flight, and behind it a whitish smoke trail stretches. How many such "wretches" have returned to NATO airbases? - probably, it is a lot of if to consider that after the next "victorious campaign" in the Air Forces of the USA mass "write-offs" of aircraft technics, certainly, for various non-combat reasons begin.
It was once a formidable F-15E
http://mtdata.ru/u17/photo1DA8/20230...0/original.jpg
https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2013...0829_f15e2.jpg
Now let's remember the 90's
once there was a demonstration battle. In August 1992, the pilots of the Lipetsk Combat Training and Retraining Center of the Air Force of Russia flew to the Su-27UB at the invitation of the Americans to the Langley airbase, Virginia. Major E. Karabasov offered to conduct a training battle between the Su-27 and F-15 in the presence of spectators. However, Americans familiar with the Soviet car on video, offered to simplify the test and to conduct it far from prying eyes. In 200 kilometers from the shore it was decided to conduct "joint maneuvering". According to the proposed scenario, at first the F-15D was to evade the Su-27UB pursuit, then the planes should be swapped, and already the Sukhoi was to leave the Eagle chase. In the front cabin of Su-27UB was E. Karabasov, in the rear - an American pilot. To monitor the progress of the fight flew F-15C.
F-15 tried to break away from the Su-27 on full afterburner. However, Karabasov is firmly suspended on the tail, using the mode of minimum afterburner and maximum non-flexural thrust. After the planes switched seats, Karabasov cut the full afterburner and began to leave the F-15D with a vigorous turn and climb. "Eagle" immediately fell behind. After making a turn, the Su-27UB went to the tail of the F-15, but the Russian pilot made a mistake and was not hit by an F-15D, but by an F-15C observer flying behind. Realizing the error, he soon caught in sight a double F-15D. All further attempts by the American pilot to get rid of the persecution led to nothing. This ended the air battle.
It is necessary to say that our training airplane has easily dealt with not only the training F-15D, but also with the F-15C combat fighter, yielding to it for a number of indicators (for example, speed at the ground and at altitude). Everything was decided by excellent maneuverability. So, for example, "American" is not able to perform "Pugachev's Cobra". Looking at this maneuver, the American pilots are surprised: why the plane does not fall apart in the air.
An analogue of the fighter-bomber F-15E Strike Eagle in the Russian Air Force should be considered a shock Su-34, and not a multi-purpose Su-30SM. The decisive factor in this case is the presence on Su-34 of a special sighting and navigation complex adapted for the use of air-to-surface missile and bomb weapons.
But in this case F15E is an old aircraft of the 80s. Su 34 is already new with new avionics and various systems. Since it was again built not so long ago, it was adopted only in 2014(Although he was ready for serial production in 1994, but because of the lack of funding, he was stopped,the prospects of this machine for a long time remained uncertain.
About Su-34 remembered in the early 2000's due to the need to replace the Su-24M in the air regiments of front-line bomber aviation. The final stage of the state joint trials of the "thirty-fourths" was completed in September 2011.) and a year after all the tests. But they must solve the same problems.
So be objective and do not engage in propaganda.
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