Is Baltimore an Northeastern city? (rank, catholics, location)

[Tiger Beer]

Originally Posted by BajanYankee

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Seriously, though, have you guys looked into the Midwest? I think it would be a good fit for Baltimore.

-Slower pace
-Lower White ethnic % than Northeastern metros, but higher than southern ones
-Heavy influx of white southerners during early to mid 20th Century
-No Unitarian/Dutch/Quaker/Yankee establishment dating back to colonial times
-Midland speech with a "distinctly southern character"
-Baltimore pit beef, St. Louis ribs, etc.

The biggest obstacles would be...

-Large black population. More consistent with Deep South at MSA level.
-Southern history
-Architecture
-Chicken boxes

All in all, though, Baltimore fits rather neatly into the Midwest.

That's an interesting statement.

I'm originally from the Midwest, and Baltimore has always seemed kind of similar. Perhaps it being a similar size city to other midwestern cities. I usually categorize it with Cleveland, Cincinnati, and St. Louis.

The only thing I'm surprised by, is that you mentioned that Midwestern cities don't have large black populations? Detroit, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Cincinnati, St. Louis all have large black populations.

[Ball freak]

Originally Posted by BajanYankee

Hmmm hmm...which is why there's so much argument about it. Where are the scores of New York Times articles addressing whether New York is a southern or northern city?



Yeah. Totally. I could totally see Boardwalk Empire or the Sopranos being set in Maryland.

Maryland has no MSA counties in New Jersey, but has several in Virginia. So I'd have to say Maryland has the most connections to and is most culturally similar to that state. Not too much Chesapeake Bay culture in Essex County.

Northern Virginia isn't Southern though. That's where your argument fails. And Baltimore is not Midwestern. Over and over again you lean on African American and Italian populations to prove your point. Baltimore may have a Southern history but it's not the South culturally politically or linguistically. Not even demographically due to its large German population and Italian American population significantly larger than the South. Also Baltimore is annexed from its county so those Italian figures could be misleading. It's only 50 miles south of Philly latitude wise. The university of Pennsylvania supports Baltimore and Philly having the same dialect. Baltimore resembles New York and Philly more industry wise. If Baltimore and DC are Southern from a modern standpoint then so is Southern Pennsylvania including Pittsburgh and Philly. You're living about 70 years in the past or more. And Cincinnati is a decidedly Midwestern city and Louisville is culturally and linguistically Southern. Your belief in the Mason-Dixon Line is ridiculous. You're willing to say Louisville is Northern before Baltimore. You're willing to say you have a better approximation of the southern dialect border than the University of Pennsylvania. You say the Ohio River isn't a solid boundary between cultures, which is a lie, but the MD PA border is. Your logic is amongst the most ridiculous of any city data user on here. And you feel the need to viciously attack and degrade those who point out flaws in your logic or disagree. Do us all a favor and just leave.

[tcave360]

Originally Posted by Ball freak

Northern Virginia isn't Southern though. That's where your argument fails. And Baltimore is not Midwestern. Over and over again you lean on African American and Italian populations to prove your point. Baltimore may have a Southern history but it's not the South culturally politically or linguistically. Not even demographically due to its large German population and Italian American population significantly larger than the South. Also Baltimore is annexed from its county so those Italian figures could be misleading. It's only 50 miles south of Philly latitude wise. The university of Pennsylvania supports Baltimore and Philly having the same dialect. Baltimore resembles New York and Philly more industry wise. If Baltimore and DC are Southern from a modern standpoint then so is Southern Pennsylvania including Pittsburgh and Philly. You're living about 70 years in the past or more. And Cincinnati is a decidedly Midwestern city and Louisville is culturally and linguistically Southern. Your belief in the Mason-Dixon Line is ridiculous. You're willing to say Louisville is Northern before Baltimore. You're willing to say you have a better approximation of the southern dialect border than the University of Pennsylvania. You say the Ohio River isn't a solid boundary between cultures, which is a lie, but the MD PA border is. Your logic is amongst the most ridiculous of any city data user on here. And you feel the need to viciously attack and degrade those who point out flaws in your logic or disagree. Do us all a favor and just leave.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=barWV7RWkq0

Told you about those are kind of little games he plays

[BajanYankee]

Originally Posted by Tiger Beer

The only thing I'm surprised by, is that you mentioned that Midwestern cities don't have large black populations? Detroit, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Cincinnati, St. Louis all have large black populations.

That's not what I said. I said that Baltimore has a large Black population that's consistent with the Deep South at the MSA level. Detroit is the Blackest metro in the Midwest at 22.8%. Chicago is 18%, St. Louis is 18.4%, Cleveland is 20% and Cincinnati is 12%. Baltimore is 28.8%, which is slightly higher than Birmingham's % and slightly lower than Richmond's.

[vision33r]

Baltimore feels more like a Southern city than Northeastern. Been there multiple times and I've been to Maine, Mass, RI, NYC, and NJ. Baltimore and Maryland in general is nothing like the Northeastern states that I've mentioned.

[Infinite_heights77]

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Originally Posted by BajanYankee

That's not what I said. I said that Baltimore has a large Black population that's consistent with the Deep South at the MSA level. Detroit is the Blackest metro in the Midwest at 22.8%. Chicago is 18%, St. Louis is 18.4%, Cleveland is 20% and Cincinnati is 12%. Baltimore is 28.8%, which is slightly higher than Birmingham's % and slightly lower than Richmond's.

[Infinite_heights77]

There are some hoods in West and Southwest Philly that reminds me of Baltimore a lot.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by Infinite_heights77

My friend and family from NY call Baltimore the 6th unofficial borough!

Well, considering that Bmore has to contend with Yonkers and Philly for the top spot as 6th borough, it has quite the fight ahead of it if that's what it's trying to do.

Yeah, you know, I always associated that East Coast Italian culture with Maryland SO MUCH.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by larrycarver

It's a great way to attract to tourism, that's for sure. Calling it just another drab northeastern city wouldnt attract too much attention. Marylanders are a shrewd bunch. Its the same way Louisiana claims to be French. It is an outlandish claim but they count the cash from each sucker who is fooled.

That's funny, because Franco-Americans actually are the largest White ethnic group in Louisiana. Must be some tourist trap strategy, though.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by Ball freak

Northern Virginia isn't Southern though. That's where your argument fails. And Baltimore is not Midwestern. Over and over again you lean on African American and Italian populations to prove your point. Baltimore may have a Southern history but it's not the South culturally politically or linguistically. Not even demographically due to its large German population and Italian American population significantly larger than the South.

Funny, this dude put me on ignore so he couldn't see how I schooled him about the fact that three undoubtedly Southern cities have more Italians than Baltimore. Demographically, it's more in line with the Midwest considering the amount of Germans.

Also Baltimore is annexed from its county so those Italian figures could be misleading. It's only 50 miles south of Philly latitude wise.

Latitude wise, Philadelphia and Spain are similar. Guess Spain must be in the Northeast!

The university of Pennsylvania supports Baltimore and Philly having the same dialect. Baltimore resembles New York and Philly more industry wise.

And it includes DC.