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Sure, the owners for the small market teams, some of them, are partially the blame. Not all teams are going to have owners who even care about winning. But also, to some extent, why should they spend more. If they have a payroll of 30 million and there are teams with payrolls of 200+ million, why should they spend an extra 20-30 million. Still have trouble competing. We know its an unfair playing field. Thats plain and simple. The teams with the higher payrolls make the playoffs more regularly, thats a fact.
The Royals traded Carlton Beltran, Johnny Damon and you can expect Zack Grienke to be next one day.
Pirates - McLouth, Bay recently and even more going back...
G Man
But G heres the question.When those same Royals are given 20 million more in revenue sharing,should it go in an owners pocket or should he try to make his team better?This is why the Royals aren't significantly improving.If you are going to trade talent,make sure you get quality and draft picks in return.Make sure you draft well and put the revenue dollars BACK INTO THE TEAM.Most years the Twins do well because they are good at all these steps.Milwaukee is getting better at it and it's showing. All teams can do this but greedy small market owners are to blame for the unbalanced playing fields.A hard cap would prevent it all,but like I said before it would also eliminate revenue sharing because you wouldn't be allowed to go over the cap. The teams that don't put the revenue sharing dollars back into the team are just putting it in their wallets.
But G heres the question.When those same Royals are given 20 million more in revenue sharing,should it go in an owners pocket or should he try to make his team better?This is why the Royals aren't significantly improving.If you are going to trade talent,make sure you get quality and draft picks in return.Make sure you draft well and put the revenue dollars BACK INTO THE TEAM.Most years the Twins do well because they are good at all these steps.Milwaukee is getting better at it and it's showing. All teams can do this but greedy small market owners are to blame for the unbalanced playing fields.A hard cap would prevent it all,but like I said before it would also eliminate revenue sharing because you wouldn't be allowed to go over the cap. The teams that don't put the revenue sharing dollars back into the team are just putting it in their wallets.
But G heres the question.When those same Royals are given 20 million more in revenue sharing,should it go in an owners pocket or should he try to make his team better?This is why the Royals aren't significantly improving.If you are going to trade talent,make sure you get quality and draft picks in return.Make sure you draft well and put the revenue dollars BACK INTO THE TEAM.Most years the Twins do well because they are good at all these steps.Milwaukee is getting better at it and it's showing. All teams can do this but greedy small market owners are to blame for the unbalanced playing fields.A hard cap would prevent it all,but like I said before it would also eliminate revenue sharing because you wouldn't be allowed to go over the cap. The teams that don't put the revenue sharing dollars back into the team are just putting it in their wallets.
Like i said before, there are some owners in the game that are not baseball first owners and that isnt good for the league. Im not condoning them. I am saying that, the situation is unfair and many of these owners run their team like a business. They could increase their payroll, even double it but still only be spending a fraction of what the Yankees and Sox are. This still doesnt gauranteee they can compete with the big market teams. Sure, they have to be able to draft well and secure good prospects in return when they are forced to trade their stars. The difference is the Yankees can make mistakes, Irabu, Palvano, Giambi (for the most part), Kevin Brown, etc and still be fine because they can just sign someone else. The depth and the ability to recover from bad signings or losses due to injury is what sets the big market teams apart.
The issue with the Orioles is that they think signing one star player will turn everything around(like when attempting to sign Teixeira),it wont. I would rather my team go after a bunch of Johnny Damon type players and be competitive then go after one or 2 stars.If you look at the Yanks in the 90's there were alot of solid players but no Arod or Bonds.We had guys like O'neill that left it all on the field and played as a team and thats why we won.
Like i said before, there are some owners in the game that are not baseball first owners and that isnt good for the league. Im not condoning them. I am saying that, the situation is unfair and many of these owners run their team like a business. They could increase their payroll, even double it but still only be spending a fraction of what the Yankees and Sox are. This still doesnt gauranteee they can compete with the big market teams. Sure, they have to be able to draft well and secure good prospects in return when they are forced to trade their stars. The difference is the Yankees can make mistakes, Irabu, Palvano, Giambi (for the most part), Kevin Brown, etc and still be fine because they can just sign someone else. The depth and the ability to recover from bad signings or losses due to injury is what sets the big market teams apart.
G Man
The years we went after guys like Irabu and Giambi we didn't win,did we?
The 90's when we had alot of scrappy TEAM FIRST players we won. Guys like Brosius,Charlie Hayes,O'neill,Bernie Williams,Girardi,Knoublauch,etc... weren't stars but bunted when they were told to do so and stole even if they weren't base stealers.I know you hate the Yanks but be realistic, George tried the easy way and it didn't work but all we are doing is actually competing with the Sox each year.If we were in the NL central we wouldn't need to spend what we are now! Also George isn't afraid to pay the luxury taxes and invest solidly in his team.The small market owners should be kissing his ass daily for the revenue check they receive from him!
From the source I am looking at the NYY have had the highest payroll in every year save one between 96-08. So even when they were winning with "scrappy" players they were still paying for them.
Like i said before, there are some owners in the game that are not baseball first owners and that isnt good for the league. Im not condoning them. I am saying that, the situation is unfair and many of these owners run their team like a business. They could increase their payroll, even double it but still only be spending a fraction of what the Yankees and Sox are. This still doesnt gauranteee they can compete with the big market teams. Sure, they have to be able to draft well and secure good prospects in return when they are forced to trade their stars. The difference is the Yankees can make mistakes, Irabu, Palvano, Giambi (for the most part), Kevin Brown, etc and still be fine because they can just sign someone else. The depth and the ability to recover from bad signings or losses due to injury is what sets the big market teams apart.
G Man
Am I going to have to start another the Red Sox are not the Yankees thread.
2009 MLB team payrolls | GetListy!!! (http://www.getlisty.com/preview/2009-mlb-team-payrolls/ - broken link)
the Sox are 4th in payroll and are in line with, the Cubs, Tigers, Angels and Phillies. and are currently 80 million behind the Yanks.
so unless you're willing to say these teams can't spend like the Yanks, Mets, Cubs, Red Sox, Angels, Tigers and Phillies. Just say Yanks.
BTW is anyone glad there team, doesn't spend like the Yanks?
I wish the Red Sox had the Yankee payroll.
It would be interesting to see that salary chart along side a chart of gross revenue and profit. Then you could tell who was living above and below their means.
Thats what you dont get. Big market teams, like the Red Sox and Yankees can draft and develop players just like any other team. Where they get the advantage is because they can not only afford to keep the players that they develop and that succeed, but they can afford to sign the developed players from small market teams that leave as FAs or they acquire in trades (where the small market teams are "forced" to move them because they wont be able to afford to keep them in their pending FA and they dont want to lose them for nothing). Because of this, small market teams, the Pirates and Cleveland included will always serve as farm teams to the big market boys until we establish a fair salary range, with a cap and floor.
G Man
Let's go back to the early seventies when Vernon Stouffer rejected George Steinbrenner's offer to buy the Indians for $8.6 million. Not long afterward, George purchased the Yankees for $10 million. If Steinbrenner had been running the Indians for the past 35 years, today's Indian fans would be counting the championship flags instead of complaining about being in a small market. Ironically, Stouffer is buried in the same town where Steinbrenner was born, Rocky River, Ohio.
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