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Also, although I do think the MLB could overturn the call with little or no long-term fallout, I really just wish they had a system in place where it could have been corrected last night. That would be 100000x better than any result that could have come from Selig today
They do have a system in place where it could have been corrected last night. If Joyce had had any question in his mind he could have asked the rest of the crew to consult on the play, and it's possible that one of them had a better angle and would have changed his mind.
They do have a system in place where it could have been corrected last night. If Joyce had had any question in his mind he could have asked the rest of the crew to consult on the play, and it's possible that one of them had a better angle and would have changed his mind.
Inadequate in my mind. Take it to the ump that is in the clubhouse watching it on TV (yes they are already there, they have one on staff).
Grandstander, thank you for your well thought out post, it had interesting info in it, however I think the situation you provided is apples to oranges.
Grandstander, thank you for your well thought out post, it had interesting info in it, however I think the situation you provided is apples to oranges.
How is that? There is some difference between pitching a perfect game and setting a new homerun record which demands that they be treated differently? They are both individual player achievements. Which one is the apple and which one is the orange? They look like two chunks of fruit to me for our purposes.
How is that? There is some difference between pitching a perfect game and setting a new homerun record which demands that they be treated differently? They are both individual player achievements. Which one is the apple and which one is the orange? They look like two chunks of fruit to me for our purposes.
Yes, big differences, breaking a homerun record is a long term record, and while pitching a perfect game is 27 outs, this particular instance, was one play, one out. Not a season long record. Fixing that call does not change the outcome of the game, the Tigers won just the same.
What do you really think would happen if Bud had changed that call today? The very fabric of baseball collapses? (ok now I am being dramatic), but seriously what do you think would happen that would be so terrible? I hope the word "pandora" is not in your response as I have addressed that at length earlier in the thread
The Umps looks genuinely upset that he made a bad call. And he apologized once he saw a replay. He is now getting death threats to him, his wife and kids over all of this. Galarraga does not seem to be to upset, then again GM gave him a brand new Corvette!!
Yes, big differences, breaking a homerun record is a long term record, and while pitching a perfect game is 27 outs, this particular instance, was one play, one out. Not a season long record. Fixing that call does not change the outcome of the game, the Tigers won just the same.
Your response is inadequate, you fail to present the nature of the difference which requires treating the events in a different manner. Your argument is akin to arguing that people 6'4" and taller should get different treatment in our courts of law because they are taller...but you fail to provide the reasons why this should be the case.
What is the supposed distinction between a seasonal record and a single game record which mandates a unique approach to one but not the other?
What is required here of you, if you wish your point to seem to have validity, is an explanation as to why it is okay to make exceptions in order to preserve this particular record, but not okay to do so for another particular record. Simply pointing out the obvious differences does not help your cause, you may as well write "One involved hitting the ball while the other involved throwing the ball."
We need the "why" of the matter.
Your last sentence above is an irrelevancy...in neither case, Maris nor Gallaraga, was the issue of a game outcome at stake.
"Because that's not how it works?" Isn't that playground logic?
Actually, extreme circumstances often yield extreme, and unprecendented actions.
The whole its one "meaningless game" thing plays into my sides favor, we arent asking you to take a win away from a team, we are asking to overturn one meaningless (your words) games' FINAL out.
It's not a second guess when you have proof and its this black and white. Oh well, whats done is done, and this is just another notch in Seligs bedpost of fail. Hopefully good will come out of it and a Gallaraga Rule can be put in place that will avoid crap like this.
No, when I say "because that's how it works," I'm referring to the fact that there would be no precedent for Selig to go back and change a judgement error on the part of an umpire. It doesn't happen in any sport, let alone the sport with the most tradition.
And when I say that it's one meaningless game, it doesn't help your argument, because that means that Selig shouldn't dare consider breaking precedent to change the call.
No one is contending that the Commissioner should reverse every incorrect call. We all know that most incorrect calls involve bells that can't be unrung. The error in Galarraga's perfect game, by contrast, is an easily remediable mistake. It's a once-in-a-generation sort of incident, which is why it's silly to suggest that correcting it would open up Pandora's box.
Honestly you can't sit there with a straight face and say that. Right now, this is a "once-in-a-generation incident," that is, until the next one comes along. When the commissioner starts overruling umpire judgement calls, the cat is out of the bag, and there will be incessant whining down the line when other situations arise. Count on it.
Yer a Cleveland fan huh..I just realized that...THANKS FOR THE LAUGH!@
It took you that long to realize that? Thanks for the laugh.
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