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Old 02-13-2017, 01:03 PM
 
Location: spring tx
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Geez! Isaiah Thomas was the last pick of that draft!?!?


If you redraft again in 2017, what's your top 5?? I'd probably go Kyrie, Isaiah, Kawhi Leonard, Klay & Jimmy Butler.
there is alreayd a post about the 2011 draft.
The 2011 NBA Draft has been a resounding success, vastly underrated draft
that said. NO WAY does anyone in their right mind take Thomas over leonard, klay or butler.

my post on the subject in that thread.
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ok so how abut "redrafting" the 2011 draft.

how would you pick em?

leonard
irving
butler
klay thompson
walker
thomas
faried
tristan thompson
kanter
valanciunas
vucevic
morris
morris
parsons
shumpert


???
just for posterity sake
http://www.landofbasketball.com/play...iah_thomas.htm
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Old 02-13-2017, 05:39 PM
 
Location: So California
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Klay Thompson went one pick after him. Ouch.


Yep. Jimmer is a better scorer than Klay, a better all around shooter as well. Klay is taller and is a better defender so he's a great package.


Keep in mind, Jimmer was National Player of the Year and Mountain West Conf Player of the Year over Kawhi Leonard. His team beat Leonards team who was ranked the entire season both home and away.
Jimmer can absolutely play in the NBA, I think the problem is nobody wants to give him the freedom he needs to perform. Not saying that would equal wins, but it would equal 20+pts / game.
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Old 02-13-2017, 05:50 PM
 
Location: So California
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I know I brought him up here, but Dejuan Blair once got in an argument with pop and the Spurs after the 2013 finals. Saying how the Spurs would have won that series of pop had played him. He was let go shortly after, and eventually ended up in china where he was great. Now he has made his way to the D-league.
He was just traded for a dleague 4th round pick!

But you know, guys who go to china and dominate are at the nba level for sure, so I'd bet hummer would be worth at least a dleague 2nd rounder.



D-Fenders Acquire DeJuan Blair From Legends - RealGM Wiretap


Jimmer was D league mvp and scored 21/game last season.






China Update:


Jimmers - Shanghai Sharks are in first place 29-6


36.2 pts per game shooting 53%, 42% from 3pt range 93% free throws 8.1 rebs, 4.5 ast, 1.8 steals
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Old 02-13-2017, 07:54 PM
 
Location: spring tx
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Hummer fans are delusional.
You're telling me a guy that played a total of 235 games, started just six, has a career average of 6ppg on 41% shooting is a better shooter than Klay?

And his struggles are because the coaches of the kings, bulls, pelicans and Knicks just wouldn't give him the room to "do what he needs to do?" But he does great in the d league and china? Nahhhh maybe it's just the level of competition is so far below the NBA.

NBA Leonard would destroy china league jimmer one on one.
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Old 02-14-2017, 01:42 PM
 
Location: So California
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Hummer fans are delusional.
You're telling me a guy that played a total of 235 games, started just six, has a career average of 6ppg on 41% shooting is a better shooter than Klay?

And his struggles are because the coaches of the kings, bulls, pelicans and Knicks just wouldn't give him the room to "do what he needs to do?" But he does great in the d league and china? Nahhhh maybe it's just the level of competition is so far below the NBA.

NBA Leonard would destroy china league jimmer one on one.


First. Jimmer and Kawhi are friends, but Jimmer is a better scorer than Kawhi and Klay yes. Doesn't matter what his NBA stats are, he didn't get any minutes. Im not saying Jimmer is better than those two, but he is a better scorer and that's why he was drafted where he was.
We do know that Jimmer beat Kawhi head to head as starters I think 4-1 and outscored him by quite a bit.
I do think Kawhi could score 30/game in China though.
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Old 02-14-2017, 02:30 PM
 
Location: spring tx
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First. Jimmer and Kawhi are friends, but Jimmer is a better scorer than Kawhi and Klay yes. Doesn't matter what his NBA stats are, he didn't get any minutes. Im not saying Jimmer is better than those two, but he is a better scorer and that's why he was drafted where he was.
We do know that Jimmer beat Kawhi head to head as starters I think 4-1 and outscored him by quite a bit.
I do think Kawhi could score 30/game in China though.
Jimmer had a better team in collage.
While he might have been a better scorer in college, it is pretty evident he is NOT a better scorer (or anything) at the NBA level.

Of course kawhi could score 30+/game in china, have you seen what he's doing in the NBA?
(26ppg on 49%/40%/90%, all while playing defense against the very best players in the game)

Jimmer and kawhi are good friends which is why pop gave him a chance, but how unfit are you when your good friend is the face of a franchise and you still can't stick around for a whole season.
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Old 02-17-2017, 02:59 PM
 
Location: So California
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Jimmer had a better team in collage.
While he might have been a better scorer in college, it is pretty evident he is NOT a better scorer (or anything) at the NBA level.

Of course kawhi could score 30+/game in china, have you seen what he's doing in the NBA?
(26ppg on 49%/40%/90%, all while playing defense against the very best players in the game)

Jimmer and kawhi are good friends which is why pop gave him a chance, but how unfit are you when your good friend is the face of a franchise and you still can't stick around for a whole season.
I think part of it is that Jimmer to be effective has to run the offense and nobody was willing to let him do that.
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Old 02-19-2017, 10:21 PM
 
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Jimmer Fredette scores 73 in Chinese league game


It seems like if someone like Seth Curry can find a place in the league getting 28 minutes/game than Jimmer could too if given a chance. Seth and Jimmer are both 6'2 guards that aren't lightning quick. Seth's "breakout" season came at the age of 26...seems Jimmer was basically written off at 23 after his 2nd year in the league (never played over 11 mpg after that).

Look at JJ Reddick too. He was basically a scrub until his 4th-5th year. Once he started getting plenty of burn (25-30 minutes) he started putting up quality numbers (~15 ppg and 42% from 3). I imagine it's extremely difficult for a scorer to go from playing entire games his entire life to playing limited minutes and getting 3-4 shots off. For players like Jimmer and JJ, the first 3-4 shots are just getting them warmed up.

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Old 02-20-2017, 07:29 AM
 
Location: spring tx
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Fredette's 73 points are the fourth-most in a single game in the CBA, behind Errick McCollum (82), Quincy Douby (75) and Bobby Brown (74). It's also a high for the team and for him.
Errick McCollum has Never played in the NBA.
Quincy Douby averaged 4/1.1/.7 in his 3 NBA seasons.
Bobby Brown, the coked up ex of Whitney Houston!!! Oh wait wrong Bobby Brown. He played 2 terrible seasons in the NBA, left and has played 17 games this year for the rockets averaging 3mpg.

The point is, these guys are in CHINA! They'd find tougher challenge playing for the globetrotters. Looking at what these guys are doing over there and thinking they could do 1/10th of that here is setting yourself up for failure and disappointment.
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Old 02-20-2017, 11:10 AM
 
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Errick McCollum has Never played in the NBA.
Quincy Douby averaged 4/1.1/.7 in his 3 NBA seasons.
Bobby Brown, the coked up ex of Whitney Houston!!! Oh wait wrong Bobby Brown. He played 2 terrible seasons in the NBA, left and has played 17 games this year for the rockets averaging 3mpg.

The point is, these guys are in CHINA! They'd find tougher challenge playing for the globetrotters. Looking at what these guys are doing over there and thinking they could do 1/10th of that here is setting yourself up for failure and disappointment.
Definitely not comparable to NBA but you've still gotta have a skill set that may somewhat translate to average 30+ ppg in almost any pro league...and Jimmer probably shoots as well or better than any NBA player. It would be interesting to see what he could do given 25-30 minutes per game and light as green as say JJ Redick. However, like a lot of other short lived NBA players, he may be highly skilled but unable to perform at his best given very limited minutes.

BTW - Jimmer did go for 33 points when his Chinese team played the Rockets...granted, it wasn't very competitive but still...
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