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Old 06-19-2016, 10:52 PM
 
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Teammates are definitely important, and Scottie Pippen is generally underated, but Jordan and Kobe never ring chased though. The whole story of Lebron going back to Cleveland was that he knew he could have a younger all star team there especially with someone like Kyrie who he wanted to play with and not having Pat Riley blocking him on trying to run the show.
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Old 06-19-2016, 10:54 PM
 
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It makes you wonder how much Cleveland missed Irving last year. Despite James logging record stats and sparking the argument of winning Finals MVP in the losing effort. Lebron's skill and contributions are amazing, but he's shown that he needs that second option to win it all.

every hall of famer champion needed the 2nd option and some cases 3rd option to win championships.




Magic needed Worthy and Kareem. DR J needed Moses Malone, Isiah Thomas needed Joe Dumars.........Jordan needed Pippen.....Byrd needed Mchale ....Koby needed Shaq and later Gasol.....Pierce needed Garnett and Allen ...Lebron needed Wade in Miami......Duncan needed Parker and Kawhi Leonard on and on and on.




Of course Lebron was short handed last year....2nd and 3rd best scorer of the Cavs were out and Lebron had to play with a bunch of "B" players.......winning 2 games against the Warriors who were loaded (better team last year in my opinion) with David Lee was a very good accomplishment for Lebron under the circumstances with a NEW COACH who was way over his head and new system.




If you take out the 2nd and 3rd best scorer of your team, I doubt your team makes it to the finals.
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Old 06-19-2016, 10:57 PM
 
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Kyrie was awesome and deserving
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Old 06-19-2016, 10:57 PM
 
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NBA and refs should get a ring for this one. The flopper hadn't won an honest championship.

The Flopper wins a championship regardless since Anderson "Andy" Varegao was a member of the Cavaliers earlier in the season and was picked up by the Golden State Warriors before deadline, so yes, it is official, in a trivia question for future years the Flopper has gotten a championship!
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Old 06-19-2016, 11:00 PM
 
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Teammates are definitely important, and Scottie Pippen is generally underated, but Jordan and Kobe never ring chased though. The whole story of Lebron going back to Cleveland was that he knew he could have a younger all star team there especially with someone like Kyrie who he wanted to play with and not having Pat Riley blocking him on trying to run the show.
Except Kobe refused to go to Charlotte, had to go to LA. Is that not ring chasing? MJ and Kobe both had great teams, superior to Lebron's teams, not to mention the greatest coach of all time. You can say MJ is better than Lebron, you can even make an argument for Kobe. But no one has ever done more with less than James.
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Old 06-19-2016, 11:01 PM
 
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Lebron assisted, rebounded and blocked shots, in addition to scoring. He deserved MVP all the way, IMO.
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Old 06-19-2016, 11:02 PM
 
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Are you okay with admitting Lebron NEEDED Irving in order to win a championship this year? His absence in the 2015 Finals loss is evidence.
Did you expect Lebron to win it all last year without Irvin?

Doesn't mean we hand Irvin the MVP for being the second best player on the court and being available this time.
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Old 06-19-2016, 11:06 PM
 
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But no one has ever done more with less than James.
That's what I take issue with, and is why I don't want to forget what Irving accomplished this series. Lebron has logged Hall of Fame statistics, but he needs All-Star teammates, or he'll win 3 rings in 13 years-- which contradicts the "more with less" claim.
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Old 06-19-2016, 11:09 PM
 
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What about Hakeem?

Kobe was a Lakers fan since watching Magic, and he went as a rookie when Lakers weren't good and before Shaq.
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Old 06-19-2016, 11:11 PM
 
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Did you expect Lebron to win it all last year without Irvin?

Doesn't mean we hand Irvin the MVP for being the second best player on the court and being available this time.
I remember the days when Lebron was expected to win it all with Mo Williams. We've seen the reality-- he needs a star backup in Wade (before age caught up with him) or Irving, and Bosh/Love.
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