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Thomas' hip injury was no secret. Cleveland had a good idea of what they were getting into. Let's not act like they were caught off guard when the physical revealed Thomas could be out for awhile. This is just Dan Gilbert being Dan Gilbert.
No they didn't.
And folks are acting like a physical has never shut down a trade before. It is due diligence- if you don't do it you lose your job or you lose credibility in the job you are trying to do.
When one medical team doesn't request or require surgery and Ainge acts cavalier (no pun intended) about missing some time to start the season. That tells me one story. Koby Altman is a GM- not a doctor. So wisely the Cavs before making a trade will call on their own medical staff to evaluate.
Start of the season in jeopardy no surgery.
Some of the season no surgery.
Most of the season should get surgery or at least go through additional rehab.
All MATERIAL differences. Especially for a player on a one year deal.
Here is the other issue people are saying that the Cavs are dealing in bad faith. Since when is a difference of a medical evaluation bad faith- does anyone have proof that the Cavs medical specialist is unjustly creating more of a condition than it appears there is- or is his opinion just different from the Celtics?
There is no difference of medical opinion. Not much has changed this soon in the rehabbing. There are always contingencies in the recovery process that can prolong it. The Cavs are merely bringing up one of the possible outcomes of the rehab as a bargaining tool. They would still have to do follow-up examinations and scans to evaluate the recovery as it progresses.
If lying in wait for the future is the goal, then why move the Brooklyn pick, the team's best long-term asset? Maybe they're right that Tatum is a better prospect than Fultz (I wouldn't bet on it). And if they were never planning to keep Thomas, I would be particularly concerned that they passed on Fultz & Bell in this draft.
Wasn't it Cleveland that required the pick to give up Kyrie? Kyrie is pretty much a known commodity being an all star and Finals MVP caliber player. His experience will do good in bringing along the young guys. Barring injuries he makes you better now AND for the next 7 or 8 years. A future draft pick may or may not put you in contention in 2-3 years as the window opens...probably not unless you land a Lebron/Kobe/Jordan/Duncan type of player.
Wasn't it Cleveland that required the pick to give up Kyrie? Kyrie is pretty much a known commodity being an all star and Finals MVP caliber player. His experience will do good in bringing along the young guys. Barring injuries he makes you better now AND for the next 7 or 8 years. A future draft pick may or may not put you in contention in 2-3 years as the window opens...probably not unless you land a Lebron/Kobe/Jordan/Duncan type of player.
I'm sure Cleveland was insistent on the pick. But Boston's mistake was giving in. Irving instead of IT & Crowder makes them worse now. If Kyrie stays (and that's a big if), then maybe he will prove better than what the pick produces.
Yeah, this Celtics deal is going to get held up. The Bucks offer is very tempting and dare I say, probably as valuable considering the assets on the table.
Yeah, this Celtics deal is going to get held up. The Bucks offer is very tempting and dare I say, probably as valuable considering the assets on the table.
Mmmmm I'm going to say a big no to that. The celts offer with that big juicy Nets unprotected pick is way better imo. That is the difference in the two offers imo.
The Celts are shopping other assets to try to get Anthony Davis.
According to the article Boston held firm against giving up another first round pick. They called the Cavs' bluff, as I suggested they should. Danny Ainge gave them a second round pick to go away.
Cleveland's behavior in this whole thing just doesn't sit right with me. Let's assume IT really was more hurt, or will be out longer, than they had anticipated. They knew from the moment they had IT's physical results whether or not it was bad enough for them to want to pull out of the deal. What's with all this posturing and waiting for a week to finalize things?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all about hardball negotiations when necessary. But there was a certain line that was crossed here. If I'm one of the other GMs around the league, I put Cleveland on my Likes to Renegotiate Completed Trades Even Though They Already Won the Trade list.
Side note: How much does having a healthy point guard even matter if LeBron won't let him run the point anyway?!??
- Sorry Cavs fans, but you guys had to see that joke coming ...
Wow all that drama and it gets resolved over a 2nd round pick? Just wow.
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