What's the latest on Kapoho area eruption now? Any afterthoughts?

[hotzcatz]

Originally Posted by terracore

"If I have to take a boat to get there I will "

Most of the "oceanfront" lots in Puna (Big island in general) are dangerous high rocky cliffs with no water access. The ones that do have any sort of beach or safe water access are probably going to be 7 or 8 figures.

Yup, another reason why the 'ocean front' lots are affordable. There's no ocean access. That pretty much keeps our town affordable and we're way on the other side of Hilo. If there was a big white sandy beach here we'd not be able to afford it.

[RobertFisher]

Originally Posted by hotzcatz

Plus, Puna has Punatics, that may have something to do with the prices as well.

Haha I leave the joke to true locals. I will just concur somewhat by sharing what I saw when I drove through Government Beach Road. About 5 miles of nothing but the below jungle scene...it was pretty spooky for me (and I am the adventurous of the family).

[RobertFisher]

Originally Posted by hotzcatz

Yup, another reason why the 'ocean front' lots are affordable. There's no ocean access. That pretty much keeps our town affordable and we're way on the other side of Hilo. If there was a big white sandy beach here we'd not be able to afford it.

Look at rocky shore as “entry-level" oceanfront properties. True, it's not as kids friendly and convenient as sand beaches, but at least it offers the direct ocean view, and if you truly want to you can move some rocks to create a path to climb down. Then, on calm ocean days you can climb down to enter the water.

Rocky shore in CA has an advantage over sand shore in that there will is more fish that we can catch for eating, because there are more places to hide. In Hawaii I did see a lot of fish around sand beaches, but most are tropical fish it seems; I did not see a lot of food fish.

This one property currently on the market is very much doable for me in terms of the oceanfrontage. I can easily access the water. And in fact there are some tide pools, which essentially is a swimming pool at low tide. That is a nice set up.

The only thing about this property is the spookiness of the place currently (if entirely developed it would be a different story); and state development laws makes it very discouraging to develop the place. It may be fully covered by lava before it is fully developed. If the price were at around 100K instead of the 190K I would consider buying it.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/G...94418074_zpid/

[hotzcatz]

Nope, the ocean is not accessible in most of our area (Hamakua coast) except via rappelling. We have thirty to sixty foot cliffs, not just rocky shores. We'd be thrilled if it were just rocky shores. We do have great ocean views since we're on a hillside and we don't worry about lava. But, we can't reach the ocean except in a very few spots.

But, you're looking over at Wa'a Wa'a in Puna. That's in Lava Zone Zero, IMHO. Although last time the lava turned about a mile up from there and headed the other direction so Wa'a Wa'a got missed. However, you can reach the ocean in that area. I may even have swam at that exact lot, the rocks look very similar.

One of the difficulties of that area is the disparity between the 'haves' and the 'have nots'. Due to the lower costs of land and houses in that area, you have loads of 'have nots', which can create a higher level of thefts and such.

[terracore]

The other issue is that the beaches are public property. You would constantly have people in your "back yard" and inviting all that entails.

[hotzcatz]

Now there's a bunch of earthquakes around Lo'ihi, which is the underwater volcano about 3,000 feet down. It's supposed to be the next island in the chain, but it's gonna be awhile before it gets above the surface. Give or take 10,000 years? Maybe more? I forget, but the experts have an estimate and it is not any time soon. However, if the lava exits at Lo'ihi, that may take the pressure off the rest of the system.