California's prisoner 'export' welcomed in other states (Montclair, Commerce: for sale, health insurance)

[18Montclair]

This is so moronic. We spend $8-12 Billion a year on Corrections that STILL isnt enough to keep those law-breaking leeches here?

Our prison money is actually creating jobs in other states.

$12 Billion divided by 160,000 inmates=$75,000 on each inmate annually.

That includes some 2,600 California inmates who could be heading to a former youth correctional facility in the town of Baldwin, Mich. The facility is run by The GEO Group, a private prison company.

Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm welcomed the deal on her Facebook page, saying it would create 450 new jobs and $60 million in new investment.

“We are rejoicing, and everybody is celebrating with us,” Sandy Crandall of the Lake County Chamber of Commerce told the Grand Rapids Press. “It’s good news, especially right now.”

California is also negotiating with Corrections Corp. of America to take nearly 2,400 more state inmates in addition to the nearly 10,000 it currently houses in prisons in Arizona, Colorado, Minnesota, Mississippi and Oklahoma.

California's prisoner 'exports' welcomed in other states | California Watch

Of all the departments in California, this is the one I believe needs the biggest overhaul by far.

[NWA1]

I hope California keeps their "law breaking leeches" there!!!

[Reason42]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

This is so moronic. We spend $8-12 Billion a year on Corrections that STILL isnt enough to keep those law-breaking leeches here?

Our prison money is actually creating jobs in other states.

$12 Billion divided by 160,000 inmates=$75,000 on each inmate annually.



Of all the departments in California, this is the one I believe needs the biggest overhaul by far.

Well, this is interesting. We agree.

In my view, the first question to ask is "why does it cost so much to perform the action of caring for inmates in California?".

Labour contracts are very difficult to change, but there are MANY, MANY other areas where Californians spend too much on our prisoners.

Take away the extra cost (the underpinnings that restrains growth in California), and watch what you ask for happen.

[esmith143]

First of all, the total corrections budget is more like 9 billion, of which about 2 billion are spend outside prisons, on things like juvenile operations and parolees.

The 7 billion spent on adult prisoners break down into 4.5 billion spent on prison operations and 2.5 billion spent on health care.

The money spent on prison operations goes to pay for one full-time prison employee per 3.5 inmates with an average cost to state of $110,000 (subtracting payroll taxes, pension plan contributions, and health insurance, the average salary should come out closer to $90,000). The money spent on health care pays for one full-time physician/nurse/psychiatrist/etc. per 13 inmates at an average cost of $190,000.

It's interesting to compare these numbers with other states. Florida, for example, manages to spend about a quarter of that amount per inmate. How do they do that? They appear to have half as many guards per inmate, and those guards are two times cheaper (the average guard costs the state $50,000). Their health care is a lot cheaper too. I recall reading that there was something, some kind of court decision in CA that placed an outsider in control of prison health care and that person was basically unrestrained by any budgetary considerations ... I don't remember all the details. And there's also the Californians' unmitigated hate of sex offenders and their drive to keep sex offenders in psychiatric hospitals for life, that couldn't have come cheap either.

[smokingGun]

It's a shame we can't export all these inmates to Mexico and have them boarded & locked-up for a 1/10 of the cost.

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

This is so moronic. We spend $8-12 Billion a year on Corrections that STILL isnt enough to keep those law-breaking leeches here?

Sharing the pork.

Originally Posted by smokingGun

It's a shame we can't export all these inmates to Mexico and have them boarded & locked-up for a 1/10 of the cost.

Wow! That's an excellent idea! We could even pay them double the going rate (in Mexico) and save money off of incarcerating them here!

Only thing is, will the prison guard unions let you do that?

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Lovehound

Sharing the pork.
.
Wow! That's an excellent idea! We could even pay them double the going rate (in Mexico) and save money off of incarcerating them here!

Only thing is, will the prison guard unions let you do that?

Not in our lifetimes, and your current Governor elect is the one who gave them the "bargaining " power in the first place.

By the way, those sexually violent predators (SVPs), mentally disordered offenders, not guilty by reason of insanity and incompetent to stand trial cost about $160,000 a year each to house and "treat" while the eveluation processes cost at least another $50-60 million a year.

But that's what the people wanted and they passed Proposition 63 related to SVPs which cost an additional $33 million the first year and netted about five additional comminments. Who's to blame?

Good luck with all that!

[marryana21]

that stupid ,lol ,lame !!
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[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Not in our lifetimes, and your current Governor elect is the one who gave them the "bargaining " power in the first place.

Not my governor elect! If he was my governor elect I'd trade him in on a model that isn't broken! (And anyway I hope to have the "for sale" sign stuck in my front lawn by the time he's sworn in.) Stop the insanity!