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Originally Posted by yeahthatguy

California is not growing so well compared to more tax friendly states... Instead of just saying this ..

As I've already stated, California is experiencing a deep recession, but the worse than average performance over the last few years is due to the collapse of the housing bubble. Other states, like Nevada, that have much different policies have the same issues.

Originally Posted by yeahthatguy

My point is, since growth is still present beyond California and the world for that matter that growth will pick up pace elsewhere as you can only cram so many people into a region before things get uncomfortable.

Umm....huh? This isn't even remotely related to the topic being discussed, that topic was the business friendliness of the inland empire. You claimed that the area is bad for business, yet the area has grow by 1 million people over the last 10 years. Sorta difficult to see how that can occur in an area that is unattractive for business. I still don't get the point of your comment about Hispanics.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by yeahthatguy

Feel free to tune out .. Seems like you put on quite a show yourself w/ over 7x my number of posts.. Regardless, I dont care for non-contributors and snide remarks... So move along and take the usual crew of detractors w/ you.

What you care or don 't care about is immaterial. There's nothing snide about waste of bandwidth and pontification not even remotely connected to the topic.

Oh, yeah! Been here longer. More far shorter posts as a result. In case you missed it in your flurry of verbosity, this "non-contributor" is the OP and would be more than happy to see the thread closed.

G'night, Sonny!

[.highnlite]

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Originally Posted by yeahthatguy

I type at approximately 102-112 wpm .. I don't spell check or care for grammar at these speeds, it's a skill I acquired from occupation.

Well, aren't we special.... What a reasonable secretary would be expected to do, plus no spelling errors and perfect grammar, on a typewriter. Based on your stated typing speed it took you 18 minutes to write a post nobody took the time to read, I'd get a hobby, like I suggested.


I put thought into my posts .. Sorry...
Have a girlfriend, have a life, job, fishing license (I don't do licenses =P I just fish), own a motorcycle and a motor cycle license, .. don't skateboard but mountain bike.

Why not spend some time with them, no reason for a 28 year old kid to hang out on a computer forum 27/7 unless there is something we ain't being told......

[Fontucky]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Holy mackeral, I am with you Fontucky, short and sweet... This post was 1,953 words A reasonable magazine article. If one bothered to read it.

I never do. It's akin to watching CSPAN when they're airing 3 hours of some obscure House Financial Services subcommittee hearing.

[Woof]

Originally Posted by yeahthatguy

You're mixing two things.. Like I said I don't want to get into the union debate .. It is its own topic .. Army vs. Universal healthcare.. Hey, I'm with you.. We spent ~3.7 trillion and counting on the war .. I would obviously support putting it to more constructive use...

Cost of war at least $3.7 trillion and counting | Reuters

As for capitalism.. the past when unions had a purpose (no longer do) .. be careful w/ your timelines.. It's 2011. Lazy public workers/unions who are overpaid are as much a parasite on society as the robber barons on wallstreet. GM went bankrupt due to unions .. Unless you forgot about that little tidbit.

And listen stop ignoring the incredible amount of freedom consumers have..
This is seriously not a joke.. Someone gives you $50,000 .. they tell you ... you can do whatever you want w/ it.. The average fool in America is going to go spend it all .. You talk about evil capitalism ... Look at all the moron consumers :
BMW Group posts record earnings for 2010 - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum - E90Post.com
Go through a 'hood' and see how many fools are rolling around in $50-60k cars. Meanwhile I took $50-70k, and went and tripled it betting on the stupidity of Americans at the height of the housing bubble..

You have the freedom to be an utter dumb failure in America and a success.. I am not going to dam a system that gives you the freedom to choose. I am going to point out that choices have consequences.... Ignorance is no excuse for making the wrong choices as ignorance has its consequences to.


I came from the bottom and made it to the middle. I learned several key things along the way :
> Hard laborious work has great rewards in terms of a feeling of fulfillment
> Money = Freedom/Opportunity .. Not the means to buy junk
> There are many ways to multiply your money
> Sacrifice early on and compound your money and you will have a lot to enjoy
> Leave the earth giving back more than what you took
> Give your child that much more than what your parents gave to you
> IGNORANCE HAS A COST IN LIFE
> TIME = MONEY

Go and look at where people spend their time.. You look at rising companies.. there centered on media/junk/games/bread/circuses for the masses...

People choose this lifestyle en masse .. In America, you have a choice as to how live... I came from a horrid neighborhood.. A poor uneducated household .. I made it to a pretty high level thus far .. How? by sacrificing .. by saying no to short term rewards and holding on for long term.. By not watching TV .. by not trying to feign wealth via materialistic purchases.. by picking up a book .. by not playing games on my cellphone 24/7 .. by doing a lot of things a lot of Americans do which result in their circumstance/position in this country.

We have a basic safety net in this country... One that is far better than a lot of places in the world .. We have a democracy for god's sake.. Look at how many people get involved when trillions are blown on wars instead of their health.. You would expect protests in every street of America.. But what do you see? You see people saying : Oh, i support the president no matter what because he's a democrat.. I support the president no matter what because hes republican... This is a democracy, you get what you deserve.

I repeat .. YOU HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF FREEDOM IN THIS COUNTRY.
Freedom to be a total moron who doesn't get involved in any aspect of the things that shape their country.. Someone who chooses escapism entertainment instead of facing reality head on and trying to change the world...

AMERICA is what it is because people don't care nor are they involved.. Those who are and point out the problems and ways to fix them get beaten down by the general ignorant clowns in the country (which are the majority)... At some point they give up and turn to the darkside and instead exploit the idiot majority .. and do so to protect/offset the impact such morons have on their lives...


I hope that you are on the road to recovery and better health
Sadly it's not scalable .. or affordable. I'd like everyone in the world to be fed and clothed and housed.. It's just not possible/feasible though.. This is reality.. Harsh reality .... The world is harsh .. There are people eating mud pies who wont live to 30 in the world.. what about them.. they are human too.

On healthcare.. In general . you are healthy not because of it but because you lead a healthy life style.. Sure, sh*t happens, and when it does healthcare is needed .. but lets not mix the general fact that if you pursue a healthy lifestyle you will generally be healthy.. As for checkups, etc .. physicals/etc are quite affordable .. there are many startups now opening affordable dental care to people as well .... There's a problem.. There's always a solution. Govt. is not always the answer..


I try to give my personal info whenever I can to give people insight into my bias/viewpoint... I came from nothing .. I was surrounded most my life by people who don't have talents and were not well off. I have that perspective.. I have the perspective of barely getting by.. Eating one meal a day.. I have the perspective of a dad who cared about his family and worked 3-4 jobs to make sure his kids had better. I have a lot of perspective and by no means do I loose sight of it now that I am 'somewhere'. Look around at the majority of the populous and note the clothing they wear .. the cable they have.. the cars they drive.. the smart phones they have.. the junk they buy ... Look around at people's choices and note what consequences can possibly result from them.. Ponder if these people are even aware of them.. and why?

Education is a fundamental building block to everything. Without it, you're doomed. We give everyone access to education in this country.. Go through various schools in America and observe a great wealth of people throwing this opportunity away. You have countries that are way less prosperous than us yet are more educated .. healthy and probably have more fulfilling lives..

It comes down to valuation .. If you dont value x,y,z and value a,b,c.. x,y,z will become deficient and neglected. I'm not wealthy .. nor are many people here.. I know friends that make 1/3 or 1/4th what I make and live better than me in other places... Which is why I am leaving in a year .. but hey, money is relative .. What is the most valuable thing to me : intelligence .. $$$ comes and goes.. its value rises and falls .. It is a means to an end.. My intelligence accumulated over the years remains... My dignity/morals/values even if all my wealth was confiscated remains.. my culture remains... these are the things that define me.. Put me over in a mud hut and strip away all my possessions and I will still find happiness/humanity.

Declaring that your country should give people x,y,z as a right .. and every increasing those rights is a recipe for disaster.. Look at the current state of the Eurozone....



You're in trouble because, like America.. you tucked all your problems under a carpet.. you haven't been doing good .. you've been pretending you were w/ ever increasing debt/obligations.. Same w/ Europe which is on a precipice .. You don't all of a sudden have epic problems.. you slowly build problems YoY and hide problems until they become epic.

California is great. I will never deny that.. The geography is great and the people are too .. None of which came about due to taxes/govt.. I don't forget that ever ! The more you travel america the more you discover other great places. Many other states care for the environment/poor/disabled.. It's a big world .. The question is how much does it cost and is it worth it.. Regardless of whether I have the money, which I have a lot of .. I live my life on principal. The reason I have money (freedom) and thus can make lots of choices is because I ask that critical question in general when I spend my money on something .. Is it worth it ? Do I need it? Can I get it some place cheaper? What is happiness ? Did I have the same amount of it elsewhere? Is this fair? Is this right?

Many people don't live on principal or along this mindset/awareness.. They do what they do .. spend what they spend .. live how someone dictates they live... don't ask questions.. don't challenge status quo .. when someone presses on them they dont press back.. they put their head down and work harder..

I'm not of this breed .. never have been .. maybe its my life experiences that shaped me in this way... After-all, Given my upbringing, I had to constantly identify those who were trying to take advantage and leech.. I had to identify environments and circumstances that weren't best for my well being and change them... I had to open my eyes and keep my eyes wide open to what was happening around me in order to carefully navigate to success/well-being...

So, at this juncture, when I asses the freedom of choice I have .. When I asses the leeching someone is doing.. When I personally asses the value of life here .. It is not adding up .. and as I move to start a family .. and become responsible for the long term livelihood, education, and prosperity of my family/kids. .I have to take it all in and value/weigh things carefully .. see long term risk.. assess trends and the direction of things and pick a place that is suitable for my long terms needs.. and sadly that just isn't here..

I am a vocal person who stands up to things I don't think are right.. This personal trait of mine wont change ... I have done a good amount during my stay in CA and left here giving more than I took .. I got involved in my local community and state govt... I sought changes in things that I thought were a problem and for that I feel o.k .. The changes weren't enough and the direction of this state aren't inline w/ my direction... and thus I must part ways.. the problems will still be problems no matter if I point them out ... other do .. or when I leave.

As you can imagine, sounds pretty extreme.. It's not ... It making calculated/educated/longterm choices.. which the majority of Americans .. Human beings in general don't make .. and there are consequences for not doing this .. Many of which they will never be aware of because they don't understand or even see the reality and the relationships between things before their eyes.. They live and when things happen .. they just happen .. Sometimes they get owned.. sometimes they get lucky ... I don't live this way.. Couldn't have lived this way and made it to where I am ... Alot of people aren't where I am because they lived that way .. Ask them why .. why are you living this way? and they will exhibit their 'high external locus of control' . Those with a high external locus of control believe that powerful others, fate, or chance primarily determine events. ... Because they aren't aware .. they don't see the function.. the gears of life .. These are the people who hope .. who blame.. who point at another man and say he is the reason for my folly .. I could have done that but I noticed no one cares/listens.. If you really feel x is the reason you are where you at.. go and change x and see what it results in.. get feedback from you're actions.. if it turns out adjusting the nob didn't change anything.. go adjust another.. The fact is, people just don't live life at this level of awareness.... They don't value such things and it shows/reflects/has consequences.

It's important thus that people understand the freedoms they have .. the power they have to stand up .. change things, shape their lives, and the lives of others.. It's important for people to understand how this freedom comes about and what threatens it... For there wont always be someone to point out problems for you.. point out leechers for you.. point out the right direction. You must be aware/involved and do so for yourself...

So I wish CA the best but have to see reality for what it is .. I haven't gotten to where I am dreaming and hoping .. I got to where I am being realistic and acting. So cheers

I don't think you understand quite why everyone is getting exasperated with you, and since people regularly get pissed off at me without me knowing why, I'd like to explain. You seem to have some valid points but they're largely lost in those huge posts with their scattergun criticisms in a stream of consciousness format - you're letting little shots fly off in all directions and it becomes wearisome to try to track down and evaluate them all. The more I read, the more I become confused as to your main points - right now, I only know that you're deeply angry with California because you feel it is ****ing up economically, over taxed and too expensive.

Well, we've always a boom and bust economy. Things get crappy here for a while and then they get better. But if you don't like, fine, leave. I may leave too some day, I don't always love living here, and have spent most of my life in other states. Guys are obsessed with politics and will actually leave an area over it (for some reason that's not usually a huge motivation for women to move). I personally would love it if the "self-sufficient" libertarians and Teabaggers (always riding around in their Medicare scooters trying to get Social Security gutted) to leave the state when they retire or sooner, and go take over some place like Arizona, Georgia, or Wyoming, where they fit in better with the local Darwinian philosophy.

We could make do here with the old hippies, the compassionate young people, the environmentalists ..... we can limp along, the more successful of us caring for the less successful, at least enough to leave them with the basics of food, healthcare, and shelter - rather than mocking the jobless, those who live on a low income, and the disabled.

ETA: oh I forgot, I just wanted to urge you to shorten your posts and focus them on anything you want a response to!

[yeahthatguy]

Originally Posted by Woof

I don't think you understand quite why everyone is getting exasperated with you, and since people regularly get pissed off at me without me knowing why, I'd like to explain. You seem to have some valid points but they're largely lost in those huge posts with their scattergun criticisms in a stream of consciousness format - you're letting little shots fly off in all directions and it becomes wearisome to try to track down and evaluate them all. The more I read, the more I become confused as to your main points - right now, I only know that you're deeply angry with California because you feel it is ****ing up economically, over taxed and too expensive.

Well, we've always a boom and bust economy. Things get crappy here for a while and then they get better. But if you don't like, fine, leave. I may leave too some day, I don't always love living here, and have spent most of my life in other states. Guys are obsessed with politics and will actually leave an area over it (for some reason that's not usually a huge motivation for women to move). I personally would love it if the "self-sufficient" libertarians and Teabaggers (always riding around in their Medicare scooters trying to get Social Security gutted) to leave the state when they retire or sooner, and go take over some place like Arizona, Georgia, or Wyoming, where they fit in better with the local Darwinian philosophy.

We could make do here with the old hippies, the compassionate young people, the environmentalists ..... we can limp along, the more successful of us caring for the less successful, at least enough to leave them with the basics of food, healthcare, and shelter - rather than mocking the jobless, those who live on a low income, and the disabled.

ETA: oh I forgot, I just wanted to urge you to shorten your posts and focus them on anything you want a response to!

Got some power/anger in your post now that that bash van came rolling in. .. We were getting somewhere before you decided to jump on the group think bandwagon and spew this nonsense. This is a good note to end this thread. Later

[.highnlite]

Originally Posted by Fontucky

I never do. It's akin to watching CSPAN when they're airing 3 hours of some obscure House Financial Services subcommittee hearing.

10-4 Ranger

Ya' know, my son is the same age as this kid. He is off in India teaching at an all girls school (we wonder how many brides he will bring home ), and wandering around exploring the history and culture, castles and palaces, watching Tigers from the backs of Elephants, and going up to Kashmir to bag a few peaks.

I think that beats the heck out of sitting around posting encyclopediac articles that nobody reads on a forum full of old retired guys with no more to do than take naps and post stuff,

But, what do I know?

[Curmudgeon]

...or full of aging guys desperately clinging to the days that were with no more to do than make disparaging remarks about others to bolster their fragile though out-sized egos.

[.highnlite]

...or full of aging guys desperately clinging to the days that were with no more to do than make disparaging remarks about other to bolster their fragile though out-sized egos in Missouri

[Curmudgeon]

Nice try but you're not that clever by half!