10-28-2014, 10:35 AM
Location: Pleasanton, CA
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10-28-2014, 11:49 AM
Location: On the water.
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10-28-2014, 01:39 PM
Location: Mokelumne Hill, CA & El Pescadero, BCS MX.
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notmeofficer
Currently cal fire still employs felons in its ranks and it makes me angry their union isn't jumping up and down for (expensive) backgrounds for all employees.
Why yes they do. They are inmates serving their sentences on fire crews. I had a summer herding those cats. At that time, I could have sent any of them back to the big house for no reason at all. I'd take any crew of 15 of those guys over some "hotshot" crew every day of the week.
Some of them actually get done with their sentence and are hired by CalFire because they have the experience that some guy off the street doesn't have. I'd rather have one of those guys coming in behind me when the situation looks nasty.
10-28-2014, 10:34 PM
Location: zooland 1
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DMenscha
Why yes they do. They are inmates serving their sentences on fire crews. I had a summer herding those cats. At that time, I could have sent any of them back to the big house for no reason at all. I'd take any crew of 15 of those guys over some "hotshot" crew every day of the week.
I agree about some inmate camp crew members... they can cut line unequaled...and you are right about them getting hired... that being said... I don't want them in my house touching my child on a medical aid... and anyone with a criminal background diminishes any organization
These chips lost sight of what's right and wrong... they will pay dearly for it... they probably wont get jail time because there will be a plea bargain but try to get a job after being fired as a copper... hard to impossible... just plain stupid... the female already got the get out of jail for free card... she's an idiot too for keeping such pictures on her phone... phones aren't private and Google is voracious and intrusive unless one opts out of everything....
Men ..women.. sex... more men have been brought down with this mix than anything else in life
I wonder if she might parlay this into money..by civil suit and perhaps a layout one day....
10-29-2014, 08:02 PM
Location: On the water.
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So yeah, we really are lucky to have all these younger cops now taking over as the old guard retires. These young guys are more carefully vetted so there's almost no chance of character flaws resulting in crazy behaviors. New screening weeds out the alcohol and drug use and other psychological weaknesses.
27-year-old deputy murders his 29-year-old deputy partner in drunken fight:
Santa Fe sheriff
Certainly we wouldn't want any ex-felons on the force.
11-02-2014, 10:07 AM
Location: Living rent free in your head
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notmeofficer
I agree about some inmate camp crew members... they can cut line unequaled...and you are right about them getting hired... that being said... I don't want them in my house touching my child on a medical aid... and anyone with a criminal background diminishes any organization
Inmates who go to fire camp are pretty carefully screened, no sex offenders are allowed. And since you claim to have a background in LE, you should know better than anyone else that when we cut off access to employment for felons who have served their time we are almost guaranteeing that they will re-offend.
11-02-2014, 10:10 AM
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Really.... one weirdo does not an agency make ...by the time any policeman hits the street today they have gone through extensive backgrounds.. testing.,, observation by others .and evaluation ....can someone slip through ,, sure.... a very low percentage...but not zero... perhaps one day the computer will pick us... monitor us.... evaluate and screen and process us on an ongoing basis
I worked in LE for over 20 years and that 'extensive background' does not weed out whack jobs, it only weeds out whack jobs who have been arrested before, or have been dumb enough to bring their craziness to the attention of their former employers or neighbors.
11-03-2014, 07:01 AM
Location: zooland 1
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2sleepy
I worked in LE for over 20 years and that 'extensive background' does not weed out whack jobs, it only weeds out whack jobs who have been arrested before, or have been dumb enough to bring their craziness to the attention of their former employers or neighbors.
Good reason to do ongoing backgrounds for Leo AND Fire... anyone who can be in your home..touch your children and take your freedom
I have no problem with reintegration of felons... but not in any public safety job... I don't care what they did... low level felon offender.. doesn't matter... they gave up that opportunity with their "mistake"
Society ultimately gets a reflection.. abet minimized.. of itself... allow dope smokers..thieves ..reckless drivers..bad credit worthy people... all the "little things" that show bad parenting.. lack of community involvement in a persons life... or poor life choices...that make up a persons psyche and who they are when there is no spotlight upon them... allow those people in the mix because of racial or gender reasons...well.. the mix isnt good
Historically these spudnuts would never make it to an oral interview let alone a background ... now they get found out after they have made it to the public ... and while statistically the percentage is very very low... less than 1% ..the damage they do is immense...even allows the smug dope users on this forum to pontificate... no defense..get rid of them as quickly as the pobor will allow.
830...are you?
11-03-2014, 07:47 AM
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notmeofficer
Good reason to do ongoing backgrounds for Leo AND Fire... anyone who can be in your home..touch your children and take your freedom
Ongoing background investigations you are kidding, right? If you really ever worked in LE in California you certainly should be aware of govt code 3300 The Peace Officers Bill of Rights. You can't investigate ANYTHING regarding a peace officer after they are hired read # 14-16. Peace Officer's Bill of Rights [/color]
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notmeofficer
Society ultimately gets a reflection.. abet minimized.. of itself... allow dope smokers..thieves ..reckless drivers..bad credit worthy people... all the "little things" that show bad parenting.. lack of community involvement in a persons life... or poor life choices...that make up a persons psyche and who they are when there is no spotlight upon them... allow those people in the mix because of racial or gender reasons...well.. the mix isnt good
oh..so in your little alternate reality even people with bad credit shouldn't be allowed "in the mix" I guess that would have included me because at one time my wonderful CHP husband walked out on me and two kids, quit his job and left the state with his girlfriend who he was banging on duty I was lucky and quickly landed a a job in LE and within a few years was able to pay off all the debt he had racked up while he was out with his new squeeze using joint credit cards. But if you had been the arbiter of who is 'worthy' I guess I would have spent my life in a job I deserved, maybe like cleaning toilets?
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Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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