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Old 07-20-2015, 04:45 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Well, the news in NM says that El Nino is underway, and is the explanation for the state having a nice, moist late spring and summer, thus far. They say the warming off the Pacific coast is causing it. NM has had completely "normal" rainfall the last 2-1/2 months, equal to pre-drought levels.

So CA should be in for some relief, too, and not just SoCal (in theory, at least).
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Old 07-24-2015, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Carpinteria
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Default El Nino vs Drought

I hope for significant rain but dought even that will help the long term effects of climate change occurring in our South West. I've read many government reports that point to a very possible long term drought. Even reports charting population migrations due to water shortages in West. This is just one about long term drought
Could California's Drought Last 200 Years?
here is just one about migration due to drought
Population, Immigration, and the Drying of the American Southwest | Center for Immigration Studies
If I had children, I would be very concerned about their future. I might even invest in some cheap PNW land that is predicted to have good water supplies.
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Old 07-24-2015, 10:47 AM
 
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I might even invest in some cheap PNW land that is predicted to have good water supplies.
Where is there "cheap PNW land" anymore?
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Old 07-24-2015, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Carpinteria
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Coos Bay,Or. is nice
http://www.landwatch.com/default.asp...2003&sort=PR_A
at the other corner of the state Enterprise is among my favorite places in the PNW. But don't know about future water predications.
http://www.landwatch.com/Wallowa-Cou.../pid/312111786

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Old 07-24-2015, 12:24 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I hope for significant rain but dought even that will help the long term effects of climate change occurring in our South West. I've read many government reports that point to a very possible long term drought. Even reports charting population migrations due to water shortages in West. This is just one about long term drought
Could California's Drought Last 200 Years?
here is just one about migration due to drought
Population, Immigration, and the Drying of the American Southwest | Center for Immigration Studies
If I had children, I would be very concerned about their future. I might even invest in some cheap PNW land that is predicted to have good water supplies.
The population migrations are underway. The PNW is seeing a significant increase in transplants from CA, mainly, and elsewhere in the SW. This is expected to continue. However, it's not really a solution, as the PNW is short of water, too. And I'm suddenly starting to wonder if it wouldn't make more sense to stay in the parts of the SW that depend on coal for electricity. Because the PNW relies mainly on hydropower, which will vanish in the absence of good snowfalls in the mountains.
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Old 07-24-2015, 12:33 PM
 
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Coos Bay,Or. is nice
Coos County, Oregon Land for sale, Coos County, Oregon Acreage for Sale, Coos County, Oregon Lots for Sale at LandWatch.com
at the other corner of the state Enterprise is among my favorite places in the PNW. But don't know about future water predications.
Enterprise, Wallowa County, Oregon land for sale - 2.83 acres at LandWatch.com
I drive the coast several times a year visiting kids, grandkids, and othe rrelatives strung from Canadian to Mexican borders. Coos Bay and most of southern Oregon gives me the creeps, although it is very pretty. One son used to live in Eureka and we looked at land up there - was not "cheap". That son now lives north of Bellingham Wash. and land up there damn sure isn't cheap. Other relatives around Tillamook Oregon assure me there's no more cheap land in their neck of the woods. But I never checked the southern coast of Oregon.

Coming from the Iron Range of Minnesota "cheap land" has a very different meaning to me than anything anywhere along the Pacific coast. You want cheap, try the Range. Bonus, it comes with an unlimited lifetime supply of mosquitoes.
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Old 07-24-2015, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Coos Bay,Or. is nice
Coos County, Oregon Land for sale, Coos County, Oregon Acreage for Sale, Coos County, Oregon Lots for Sale at LandWatch.com
at the other corner of the state Enterprise is among my favorite places in the PNW. But don't know about future water predications.
Enterprise, Wallowa County, Oregon land for sale - 2.83 acres at LandWatch.com
Roseburg Oregon is cheap, you just have to ignore that fact that it's a little 'red-necky' and full of meth zombies, other than that it's a heck of a place
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Old 07-24-2015, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Carpinteria
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The population migrations are underway. The PNW is seeing a significant increase in transplants from CA, mainly, and elsewhere in the SW. This is expected to continue. However, it's not really a solution, as the PNW is short of water, too. And I'm suddenly starting to wonder if it wouldn't make more sense to stay in the parts of the SW that depend on coal for electricity. Because the PNW relies mainly on hydropower, which will vanish in the absence of good snowfalls in the mountains.
transplants… an exodus is expected. The powers having control have already made calculations as to where water and the population will be.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=drought+exodus
here is a intreating read …
http://www.cnbc.com/2014/07/31/calif...te-people.html

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Old 07-24-2015, 12:53 PM
 
Location: South Park, San Diego
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California has plenty of water, or certainly more than enough water to sustain this population and a much larger population in the future. What California doesn't have right now is a viable water infrastructure and allocation plan in place that manages its still copious available water resources.

The best thing about this drought is that now we are being forced to get real about the mismanagement of this resource for far too long and can now put into place a real plan that will prove to be sustainable for agriculture, urban and suburban populations and the environment for the future. I'm not sure that that will happen but it seems possible if we make our politicians pay attention to the needs of the state.

I am very hopeful about a wet year, and the likelihood looks very good. Having just experienced over two inches of rain in a couple of days in July in San Diego- absolutely unheard of historically- we almost got swept away in a torrent in the golf course/canyon behind our house while out walking!- it looks increasingly good for us with our own diversified water resources plan here in this city. We just need to implement a huge catch basin system throughout Southern California to capture some of the billions of tons of water that go out to the ocean from every rain storm among other infrastructure improvements.

Just got a new roof put in yesterday, solar panels installation going in on Monday, rain barrel system to be in place by fall- BRING IT ON EL NIÑO! I am bullish about California.

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Old 07-24-2015, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Carpinteria
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I drive the coast several times a year visiting kids, grandkids, and othe rrelatives strung from Canadian to Mexican borders. Coos Bay and most of southern Oregon gives me the creeps, although it is very pretty. One son used to live in Eureka and we looked at land up there - was not "cheap". That son now lives north of Bellingham Wash. and land up there damn sure isn't cheap. Other relatives around Tillamook Oregon assure me there's no more cheap land in their neck of the woods. But I never checked the southern coast of Oregon.

Coming from the Iron Range of Minnesota "cheap land" has a very different meaning to me than anything anywhere along the Pacific coast. You want cheap, try the Range. Bonus, it comes with an unlimited lifetime supply of mosquitoes.
"But I never checked the southern coast of Oregon."
Curry County,Or.= cheap land
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