Coronavirus (Nice: home, schools, universities)

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by ThinkingOutsideTheBox

We have wiped out viruses like smallpox totally and measles and polio mostly (not 100 percent like Smallpox) because those are stable viruses that don't mutate or exist in animal reservoirs. Covid, like the flu and the cold, will always mutate and is widespread in animal reservoirs throughout the world. It will be around for decades, if not centuries to come, and definitely for the rest of our lives. We just have to learn to live with the risk and make decisions for ourselves.

Maybe, but SARS 2002 disappeared and MERS 2012 has left a very tiny footprint on the globe and both were in that same family of viruses with similarly theorized zoonotic origins. We can only guess what the situation will be like in a year with covid19. I don't see it quite as unconquerable as you do, but I agree that it now boils down to risk assessment in terms of how we deal with it until its departure. The pandemic's silver lining (if it can be called that) is that it's forced innovation in medicine that wasn't as pressing prior.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

Look at the lines of people freaking out trying to get tested and/or because the schools are requiring one to return to campus. Insane.

Remember that time when the other guy was still in office at the WH, and all the media was abuzz about the lack of testing availability for a virus that was brand new? Fast forward two years with a different idiot in office and we're still in the same situation??? Why is this failure of leadership not being blasted everywhere? And what's our governor up to anyway? Oh, yeah.... tweeting about vote-by-mail and Lorena Gonzalez's abrupt exit from the state legislature to pursue a gravy job as a reward from big labor. Top-down failure.


And those long lines at test sites are also people testing to go back to work, which ironically means those who are positive cases, can't and aren't. Total fiasco.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by joosoon

SARS 2002 disappeared and MERS 2012 has left a very tiny footprint on the globe and both were in that same family of viruses with similarly theorized zoonotic origins. We can only

SARS and COVID-19 have a lot in common. But the diseases — and the way the government responded to them — weren’t exactly the same, said Benjamin, who worked for the CDC during the SARS epidemic.

“There wasn’t asymptomatic spread. Early on we had a functional test. We had a public health system that was in much better shape than it is today. All those things went wrong this time,” he said. “And [COVID-19] turned out to be much more infectious, it turned out to have asymptomatic spread. ... [In 2020] you had a public health system which wasn’t ready for prime time because it hadn’t been invested in.”

Conversely, he said, the response to SARS was robust and immediate. The WHO issued a global alert about an unknown and severe form of pneumonia in Asia on March 12, 2003. The CDC activated its Emergency Operations Center by March 14, and issued an alert for travelers entering the U.S. from Hong Kong and parts of China the next day. Pandemic planning and guidance went into effect by the end of that month.

“When [public health organizations] had the actual genetic sequence mapped out and then they made a test for it, they rapidly got that test out to state and local health departments, they began screening, doing surveillance, we contained it very quickly, we communicated effectively to the public, and it worked,” he said.

In the case of SARS, the disease stopped spreading before a vaccine or cure could be created. Scientists knew another coronavirus could emerge that was more contagious. They laid the groundwork for developing the COVID-19 vaccines we have now.

-From the article linked previously

[sav858]

COVID hospitalizations 'spiked' in California's most vaccinated county. Except they didn't.

Looking at the bigger picture, at least 42% of Marin County's reported hospitalizations on Monday were "incidental COVID," a figure somewhat in line with other locations. The Florida-based Jackson Health Center reported that 57% of COVID-19-positive patients were "admitted to the hospital primarily for non-COVID reasons" while a study of hospital admissions from a city in South Africa found that 62% of patients had "incidental COVID-19."

"We have to revise our method for counting hospitalizations," Willis said. "The state, in their reporting process, needs to solicit this distinction. What we are going to see is a seeming surge in hospitalizations tied to community transmission that doesn’t signify an actual increase in severe COVID illness."

[Racer46]

Originally Posted by sav858

COVID hospitalizations 'spiked' in California's most vaccinated county. Except they didn't.

Looking at the bigger picture, at least 42% of Marin County's reported hospitalizations on Monday were "incidental COVID," a figure somewhat in line with other locations. The Florida-based Jackson Health Center reported that 57% of COVID-19-positive patients were "admitted to the hospital primarily for non-COVID reasons" while a study of hospital admissions from a city in South Africa found that 62% of patients had "incidental COVID-19."

"We have to revise our method for counting hospitalizations," Willis said. "The state, in their reporting process, needs to solicit this distinction. What we are going to see is a seeming surge in hospitalizations tied to community transmission that doesn’t signify an actual increase in severe COVID illness."

Hopefully the next version will cause anyone infected to sneeze once, and then it is over.

[benshaton]

Kelly Ernby, a 46 year old anti-vax deputy DA in Orange County just became another candidate for a Herman Cain Award.

https://abc7.com/kelly-ernby-orange-...eath/11425216/

Orange County Deputy District Attorney Kelly Ernby, who ran for state Assembly as a Republican and had recently been vocal about her opposition to California's vaccine mandates, died of COVID-19. She was 46.

According to a statement released by the Republican Party of Orange County on Monday, Ernby died "unexpectedly" after what was described as a "brief illness."

[stablegenius]

Originally Posted by sav858

Even with hospitalizations now they need to differentiate if they were admitted FOR Covid versus WITH Covid. A lot of people are admitted for other reasons and just happen to test positive yet they count towards a “Covid hospitalization”.

Yeah I saw that too. FINALLY. They should have also been doing this the whole time. Or at least differentiating between hospitalized because of Covid vs hospitalized with Covid and reported them as two different stats. That would have given the public a clearer picture of what was happening and allowed for some degree of personal responsibility. Instead this whole thing seems to be about controlling us and steering us in the direction they think is best.

Originally Posted by Finper

Exactly they’ve absolutely given up in Washington. They just don’t know how to tell us and not look like the utter failures they are

Right

Originally Posted by joosoon

Why is this failure of leadership not being blasted everywhere? And what's our governor up to anyway? Oh, yeah.... tweeting about vote-by-mail and Lorena Gonzalez's abrupt exit from the state legislature to pursue a gravy job as a reward from big labor. Top-down failure.

Because this guy is their guy and they won't do anything to make him look bad. Gavin is quiet, good. Him "leading" always looks like more restrictions so let him play with some other toys for a while.

[TacoSoup]

Originally Posted by stablegenius

Yeah I saw that too. FINALLY. They should have also been doing this the whole time. Or at least differentiating between hospitalized because of Covid vs hospitalized with Covid and reported them as two different stats. That would have given the public a clearer picture of what was happening and allowed for some degree of personal responsibility. Instead this whole thing seems to be about controlling us and steering us in the direction they think is best.

This has been known for quite sometime now, at least a good year or more, yet it got/gets hardly any mention in the media? Further convoluting the numbers of death with covid is the viral load can be so minute and it still counts. Once it came out that gunshot victims, car crash victims, etc, and not just the sick from other illnesses were being counted as covid deaths because it was in their system we should’ve demanded more transparency. But of course that never happened.

Unrelated, but still a good example of media fear mongering, is the San Diego Union Tribune on Monday.

Headline: San Diego County ERs hit hard by COVID-19. ‘Capacity is exhausted’.

Yet when you read the article you get how it’s actually only 1/3 of what it was this time last year.

Quote: Earlier in the day, county public health officials said the region’s total number of hospitalized COVID-19 patients had reached 600, far fewer than the 1,800 seen during the same time last year when there was no vaccine available to take the edge off.

When you read further it talks about how those with mild symptoms are clogging things up. Geez, I wonder why?

Quote: While the total numbers of patients being admitted to hospital beds with COVID-19 is three times lower than it was last year, the sheer number of infections is clogging things up even though doctors say they’re detecting less severe illness — generally characterized by breathing problems — than was the case previously.

My wife is an RN, and she said everyone with anything resembling a cold is coming in (or emailing/calling) wanting to be seen, demanding tests, and being huge a$$holes in the process when told you probably just have a cold. Once again, I wonder why people are being like this?

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...ook-manageable

[Carpenter858]

Originally Posted by TacoSoup

This has been known for quite sometime now, at least a good year or more, yet it got/gets hardly any mention in the media? Further convoluting the numbers of death with covid is the viral load can be so minute and it still counts. Once it came out that gunshot victims, car crash victims, etc, and not just the sick from other illnesses were being counted as covid deaths because it was in their system we should’ve demanded more transparency. But of course that never happened.

Unrelated, but still a good example of media fear mongering, is the San Diego Union Tribune on Monday.

Headline: San Diego County ERs hit hard by COVID-19. ‘Capacity is exhausted’.

Yet when you read the article you get how it’s actually only 1/3 of what it was this time last year.

Quote: Earlier in the day, county public health officials said the region’s total number of hospitalized COVID-19 patients had reached 600, far fewer than the 1,800 seen during the same time last year when there was no vaccine available to take the edge off.

When you read further it talks about how those with mild symptoms are clogging things up. Geez, I wonder why?

Quote: While the total numbers of patients being admitted to hospital beds with COVID-19 is three times lower than it was last year, the sheer number of infections is clogging things up even though doctors say they’re detecting less severe illness — generally characterized by breathing problems — than was the case previously.

My wife is an RN, and she said everyone with anything resembling a cold is coming in (or emailing/calling) wanting to be seen, demanding tests, and being huge a$$holes in the process when told you probably just have a cold. Once again, I wonder why people are being like this?

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...ook-manageable

This is so true. It even hit me who doesn't believe any of the fear mongering. But, our 19 year old son got a fever for a day or two, sore throat, aches, fatigue, and really bad cough on Christmas. 2 days earlier he went to a movie, so obviously we thought it was Covid. Took him to get a test the Sunday after Christmas, waited 2 days, and he was negative. He continued to have this cough for another 10 days.

It's no wonder some on this board freak out incessantly. We didn't necessarily freak out, but wanted to know if he was positive so he could tell whoever he was with, as well as to know if he got covid since as of now none of us other than my wife are likely to get a booster unless something comes up that it makes sense with another mutation worse than Omicron.

[goodheathen]

That makes no sense, unless you don't believe boosters offer any protection. Decisions should be based on health (of self and
inner circle at least), not on feelings about other issues.