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Old 08-25-2022, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Top 50 Metro Areas by Electric Vehicle Registrations
1 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim 230,940
2 San Francisco-Oakland-Berkeley 122,404
3 San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara 73,810
4 New York-Newark-Jersey City70,943
5 San Diego-Chula Vista-Carlsbad 51,616
6 Washington-Arlington-Alexandria 43,183
7 Phoenix-Mesa-Chandler 42,049
8 Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue 41,755
9 Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario 40,232
10 Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Alpharetta 36,051
11 Chicago-Naperville-Elgin 32,775
12 Sacramento-Roseville-Folsom 27,937
13 Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro 27,525
14 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach 26,943
15 Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington 18,769
16 Denver-Aurora-Lakewood 17,648
17 Detroit-Warren-Dearborn 16,910
18 Minneapolis-St Paul-Bloomington 15,736
19 Boston-Cambridge-Newton 15,511
20 Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise 14,304
21 Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura 13,080
22 Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington 12,842
23 Baltimore-Columbia-Towson 12,568
24 Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk 11,724
25 Honolulu 10,539
26 Tampa-St Petersburg-Clearwater 10,401
27 Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford 9,923
28 Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land 8,082
29 Salt Lake City 7,822
30 Austin-Round Rock-Georgetown 7,582
31 Tucson 7,353
32 Hartford-East Hartford-Middletown 7,242
33 Charlotte-Concord-Gastonia 6,858
34 St Louis 6,661
35 Raleigh-Cary 6,565
36 Nashville-Franklin-Murfreesboro 6,146
37 Columbus(OH) 6,093
38 Stockton 5,918
39 Fresno 5,481
40 Cincinnati 5,368
41 Pittsburgh 4,744
42 New Haven-Milford 4,675
43 Cleveland-Elyria 4,304
44 Ogden-Clearfield 4,289
45 Rochester(NY) 4,151
46 Jacksonville 4,064
47 Kansas City 4,040
48 Provo-Orem 3,876
49 Albany Schenectady-Troy 3,853
50 Indianapolis-Carmel-Anderson 3,712

https://www.storagecafe.com/blog/bes...electric-cars/
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Old 08-26-2022, 09:04 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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It makes a lot of sense, seeing that these are all medium to large cities, where the EV is practical. Still, looking at #1, Los Angeles, the total overall number of registered vehicles is 2,499,764, so the EVs are still less than 10%.
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Old 08-27-2022, 11:18 AM
 
Location: In a room above Mr. Charrington's shop
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21. Oxnard-Ventura-Thousand Oaks statistical area, population 845k, EVs, 13,080, 1.5%. More needs to be done in this region to make EVs attractive, i.e. charging stations at apartment complexes. No excuses now that new construction needs to be all electric anyway.
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Old 09-03-2022, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Sandy Eggo's North County
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I'm seeing quite a few Rivian's as of late.

We've always had bunches of Tesla's, as their store is in town.

(#5 on that particular list.)
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Old 09-06-2022, 10:45 PM
 
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Notice how many of the rural states have no idea what EV is.
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Old 09-08-2022, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Sandy Eggo's North County
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Notice how many of the rural states have no idea what EV is.
They have an idea of what they are, they just do not accept them.

Besides, they may cost 4 years' wages, so they might as well be shooting for Ferrari's.
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Old 09-09-2022, 10:47 AM
 
Location: in a galaxy far far away
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They have an idea of what they are, they just do not accept them.

Besides, they may cost 4 years' wages, so they might as well be shooting for Ferrari's.
Don't leave out battery replacement. I read those (depending on the maker) can be anywhere between 8-30K dollars. Scotty Kilmer did a video (actually more than one) on EV's and all they entail. He's not a fan but that doesn't mean he isn't correct.

I know someone who just bought a new Lucid and his registration is $1K/yr. He's going to have to pay that every single year. I pay 10% of that. It'll take me ten years to pay what he pays in one year. I'm keeping my '97 Jeep. And if they don't like it, they can pay my moving expenses if they want me out of the state.
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Old 09-09-2022, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Don't leave out battery replacement. I read those (depending on the maker) can be anywhere between 8-30K dollars. Scotty Kilmer did a video (actually more than one) on EV's and all they entail. He's not a fan but that doesn't mean he isn't correct.

I know someone who just bought a new Lucid and his registration is $1K/yr. He's going to have to pay that every single year. I pay 10% of that. It'll take me ten years to pay what he pays in one year. I'm keeping my '97 Jeep. And if they don't like it, they can pay my moving expenses if they want me out of the state.
Most of that is due to the high price paid for the Lucid, not the EV component. I think in Calif. the "extra" charge for EV is about $175 higher than traditional gas/ICE car. Of course, your friend won't pay for gas nor will he pay gas tax.

As you mentioned: with time and greater scale the higher upfront costs for EV's will decline.

Bottom line is the gas tax has outlived its usefulness. Driving patterns are changing, more people are working from home and more EVs and hybrids.

States and the federal government need to develop highway funding mechanisms that are based on the burden someone places on infrastructure rather than the type of vehicle they drive.

Utah has supposedly started a distance-based road user charge to align fees with road usage. Hopefully other states will follow suit.

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Old 09-09-2022, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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They have an idea of what they are, they just do not accept them.

Besides, they may cost 4 years' wages, so they might as well be shooting for Ferrari's.
The most popular "automotive product" in rural America is not even currently offered on the EV market: trucks. "Range anxiety" is also a legit concern until charging infrastructure is more widespread.

A recent forecast predicts that Germany, the UK, and France will reach an EV sales level of 40 to 50 percent of total sales in 2025. The USA is expected to lag behind and I imagine rural USA will lag even further.

Rome wasn't built in a day. The good people of "Hooterville" (i.e., Green Acres) eventually adopted automobiles (ICE) and washing machines just like the rest of America. EV's will get there eventually.

https://electrek.co/2022/05/31/this-...-now-and-2025/

https://about.bnef.com/electric-vehicle-outlook/
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Old 09-10-2022, 01:54 PM
 
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Would not be too ironic while California is generally expensive in terms of power costs as parts of California Ie LOs Angeles have cheap power relative to rest of California so does Santa Clara, Palo Alto and Sacramento. Since both have independent power operators their rates are a fraction of the big three. And much cheaper than paying for super expensive California priced fuel.
I don’t know their rates now but it was dirt cheap back in 2014. San Diego’s rates skyrocketed ever since SONGs was shut down so I don’t know what happened to these municipal utilities. The only disadvantage is that municipal utilities can shut your power down without repercussions for any reason as they have immunity whereas the big three can be sued if they did so purposely without a very good reason.
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