Waves grow up to 13 feet tall in California as Earth warms, research finds (San Francisco: house, tornadoes)

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by wac_432

It doesn’t seem to have translated into larger surf. Even with last year’s storms, there have only been a few days of maxxed-out surf, and this summer has been flat like we’re living on the East Coast. Every day I run down to the beach and check the surf. I haven’t seen waves worth paddling out for in at least a month.

Last weekend was okay--not great, but rideable--but I prefer to surf on weekdays to avoid the val kooks.

That said, yeah, I would sell my beachfront property while I could, if I lived at less than 20’ elevation. Once people wake up to sea level rise, it’s all going to be worthless.

Really, if I had beachfront property, I’d convert it into a STVR, form an LLC, sell it to the LLC, then keep taking out the biggest, longest, lowest-interest loans I could get against it, while pumping it for rental money until the waves were lapping at the door, then declare the LLC bankrupt and abandon the property to the bank.

This year's surf has been really boring. Like meh.

[stablegenius]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

SAN DIEGO (AP) — Waves are getting bigger and surf at least 13 feet (about 4 meters) tall is becoming more common off California’s coast as the planet warms, according to innovative new research that tracked the increasing height from historical data gathered over the past 90 years.
https://apnews.com/article/ocean-wav...7b40a716924765

Fake news. The surf is small as **** right now. Has been for months.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by stablegenius

Fake news. The surf is small as **** right now. Has been for months.

It's not about this summer or this year or this month. It's about macro trends. A few years ago, the surf took out people walking on boulders at the water's edge somewhere along the CA coast. Last winter during a major storm surge, a fishing pier in Monterey was trashed, and one in Capitola was seriously damaged, as well as some of the town. The report linked in the OP could explain one aspect of these exceptional cases.

[stablegenius]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

It's not about this summer or this year or this month. It's about macro trends. A few years ago, the surf took out people walking on boulders at the water's edge somewhere along the CA coast. .

So? The ocean has been doing that for as long as people sit or walk in places they shouldn’t. That is nothing new.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by stablegenius

So? The ocean has been doing that for as long as people sit or walk in places they shouldn’t. That is nothing new.

I'm more worried about the bluffs falling on me than the surf.

[dsb1067]

I'm more worried about the CA Coastal Commission's actions than anything. They're determined not to allow beachfront property owners to install or improve seawalls that protect their property. Their philosophy is that since global warming and rising sea levels are going to clobber us tomorrow or the next day, you need to relocate inland.

[JGC97]

Originally Posted by dsb1067

I'm more worried about the CA Coastal Commission's actions than anything. They're determined not to allow beachfront property owners to install or improve seawalls that protect their property. Their philosophy is that since global warming and rising sea levels are going to clobber us tomorrow or the next day, you need to relocate inland.

You say, "they're determined not to allow ...," but have they disallowed it? I don't have beachfront property so I don't keep up with the regulations and laws regarding that sort of thing. Sill, I'm very interested. I went looking for any and all information I could find that supports your comment.

From the horse's mouth, the CA Coastal Commision, (Chapter 8) Linked here. https://documents.coastal.ca.gov/ass...y_Guidance.pdf

It has a lot of information related to what you're pointing to and I can't past all of it but here's one snippet that's pretty interesting.

Because of the wide range of adverse effects that shoreline protective devices typically have on coastal resources, this Guidance recommends avoidance of hard shoreline armoring whenever possible. This can entail denying development in hazardous locations, allowing only
development that is easily removable as the shoreline erodes, or requiring new development to be set back far enough from wave runup zones or eroding bluff edges so that the development will not need shoreline armoring during its anticipated lifetime. The Commission’s practice when reviewing proposed development in shoreline locations that are potentially vulnerable to shoreline erosion, wave runup, or inundation has been to require applicants to waive rights to shoreline protective devices in the future, and, more recently, to require relocation and/or removal should such development become endangered in the future.

Is this what you're referring to? I'm curious.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by stablegenius

Fake news.

Scripps puts out fake news?

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley....9/2023JC019722

https://scripps.ucsd.edu/news/califo...climate-change

[dsb1067]

Originally Posted by HereOnMars

You say, "they're determined not to allow ...," but have they disallowed it? I don't have beachfront property so I don't keep up with the regulations and laws regarding that sort of thing. Sill, I'm very interested. I went looking for any and all information I could find that supports your comment.

From the horse's mouth, the CA Coastal Commision, (Chapter 8) Linked here. https://documents.coastal.ca.gov/ass...y_Guidance.pdf

It has a lot of information related to what you're pointing to and I can't past all of it but here's one snippet that's pretty interesting. Is this what you're referring to? I'm curious.

Yeah, pretty much. I think there are properties along Cliff Dr. that have been battling the CC for years over seawalls.

[JGC97]

Originally Posted by dsb1067

Yeah, pretty much. I think there are properties along Cliff Dr. that have been battling the CC for years over seawalls.

Hate to say it but I guess that's the risk you take when you build your home so close to the ocean shore. I remember watching that one apartment complex in Pacifica go through its problems. Little by little, the cliff fell away and people were evacuated until they finally demolished it. That was years ago but I hear of stories like that occasionally in our local news.