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Plano, Texas is the safest city in America. Yet the rate of gun-ownership is among the highest.
Wouldn't you say that using one small city in Texas as an example for safety with high gun ownership is more anecdotal evidence than something that has statistical significance?
Wouldn't you say that using one small city in Texas as an example for safety with high gun ownership is more anecdotal evidence than something that has statistical significance?
No is not.....Washington gun laws are (still) very relaxed...Seattle has a quite high gun ownership rate....I take a walk at night in White Center, I do quite often since that area has some very good ethnic restaurants.
Want bigger cities?? Compare Atlanta or Houston to Detroit, Chicago or DC...
The relationship more gun control = less crime is pretty much non existent...still idiots trying to push it
When you look at murder rate, look also at where the vast majority of these crimes are committed...among gangs and criminals which would not have any problem obtaining firearms anyway.
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^ was James haolmes a black man? What about Adam Lanza? -- I think regardless of their race most Americans are pretty violent people. To pin it on on one race is a little silly considering the worst massacres in your country have been done by whites.
Pile up on ignorant statements....quite the collections....
Black people are obviously not predisposed to violence any more than anyone else.
But that community is struggling with serious socio-economic issues in much of the US and so that breeds violence. Add in liberal gun laws and culture and that makes for a toxic mix that leads to high murder rates, etc.
Note that the Canadian cities with higher murder rates have socio-economic conditions on their largish aboriginal communities that are somewhat analogous to that of certain black communities in the US.
It's likely that the tighter gun laws in Canada keep the murder rate in those cities, although high for Canada, much lower than they would otherwise be.
This is one of the most ignorant and cliche statement, typical of people brainwashed about gun control.
I come from a country with one of the strictest gun control in the world but still that did not prevent people from killing each other even with bazookas in the particular city I was born in the 1980s...we rivaled Medellin in Colombia.
Use your brain.
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
Robert A. Heinlein
Aren't you from Italy? Italy has a 60 million population, but only 530 homicides in 2012, 0.9 per 100,000 people. That is FAR lower than Colombia's 14,670 homicide count in 2012 (or a staggering 30.8 per 100,000). Italy's homicide rate is essentially the exact same as France, Germany, and Denmark. So how can you say that strict gun control has no effect on Italy's relatively low homicide rate, and how is that in anyway comparable to Colombia? I think we'd all appreciate if you could substantiate your future posts with actual cited figures.
Whoever thinks guns are not the very source of the violence in America must be insane. Guns simply amplifies people's ability to cause damage and kill lives.
Imagine a 150 pound douchbag who is angry about society and wants to cause trouble for whatever reason. Without a gun, his ability is very limited - carry a knife and start stabbing people on the streets? People will run away and I am sure within 10 minutes he will be subdued by some bigger guy nearby. But with a gun aiming at innocent people who don't typically carry guns, the damage he can potentially cause is 100 times greater.
Yes, there are socio-economic reasons behind it, but we can't do much about it in the near term, can we? It might take 50 years to make a change; however, tighter gun control can produce immediate results, simple because those who want to cause trouble are less able to kill lives. Isn't it pretty obvious to anyone?
Whoever thinks guns are not the very source of the violence in America must be insane. Guns simply amplifies people's ability to cause damage and kill lives.
Imagine a 150 pound douchbag who is angry about society and wants to cause trouble for whatever reason. Without a gun, his ability is very limited - carry a knife and start stabbing people on the streets? People will run away and I am sure within 10 minutes he will be subdued by some bigger guy nearby. But with a gun aiming at innocent people who don't typically carry guns, the damage he can potentially cause is 100 times greater.
Yes, there are socio-economic reasons behind it, but we can't do much about it in the near term, can we? It might take 50 years to make a change; however, tighter gun control can produce immediate results, simple because those who want to cause trouble are less able to kill lives. Isn't it pretty obvious to anyone?
Sorry Botti but here we disagree totally....that 150 pounds disturbed individual can cause a lot of damage even without a firearm and not only with a knife....
This is one of the most ignorant and cliche statement, typical of people brainwashed about gun control.
I come from a country with one of the strictest gun control in the world but still that did not prevent people from killing each other even with bazookas in the particular city I was born in the 1980s...we rivaled Medellin in Colombia.
The "gun control heaven" enclaves in the US (think Chicago, Los Angeles, DC) are, guess what, the cities with the highest crime rate.
The largest massacre before 9/11 in the US was committed using.....fertilizer.....
Look at Mexico....how gun control works for you?? Pretty good huh??
I'm pretty sure that preventing civilians from getting regularly licensed firearms would stop drug gangs from getting illegal firearms on its track....sure...
Switzerland has one of the highest civilian gun ownership rate after the US.....I bet your shake in your boots walking at night in Zurich...
Use your brain.
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
Robert A. Heinlein
Aaah; that last little part of "use your brain" was totally uncalled for.
Using your brain would be to not use Switzerland as a model as they have the strictest gun control one would imagine. you do not just get to drive around with your gun in your car over there no matter what statistic regarding "citizens required to be militia members and required to have their duty weapon in their homes" you want to quote erroneously as ownership profiles.
Next up is the non-intent crime statistic that no one seems capable of understanding as regards the U.S. and handguns easily accessible.
You are leaving your brain out of the equation altogether when simply reading the daily news of any area would glean the details like 3yr old shoots brother with handgun found in daddies nightstand.
While wintering in the state of Florida there is not one day that I don't read an article in the local papers of some fatal shooting done over stupid stuff like a road rage encounter or a domestic dispute turned nasty and easy access to the 'default resolution' the handgun is rapidly becoming, ends up costing someone or multiple people their lives.
You totally negate the toll easy firearm access is having on your population when you completely ignore the deaths that are not of criminal intent but reactionary or accidental in nature and that is the part of your love affair with the firearm likening it to one of your most revered rights without regard to the eventual outcome.
All the good guys or legal owners with firearms in the world have not prevented the billions of deaths either accidental or with intent, the word over since their creation. Dismissing those who point this fact out by accusing lack of brain power, is in itself an arrogant and simple minded response.
And: manners are better when they're encouraged through an advanced society's moral imperatives RATHER then because your life is at stake.
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