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As long as we are still able to discern the trolls and their bs from actual facts and good opinions/viewpoints consider it a participatory source of entertainment.
As long as we are still able to discern the trolls and their bs from actual facts and good opinions/viewpoints consider it a participatory source of entertainment.
Yep; we are more than familiar with the propensity for one troll in particular having the modus-operendi of making the most in-your-face and controversial post to stimulate acrimonious to and fro.
I dont agree, its a huge American forum with a small Canadian subsection,its natural that we are going to get much in the way of American participation, i find the American views and opinion whether positive or negative towards Canada an interesting read and in context with our geographical proximity.
Welcome to the forum Brittt.
I think she misunderstands my topic, because I hate it when Americans say Canada leaves everyone waiting to die because socialized medicine this, socialized medicine that, when every thinking person knows less people die in Canada waiting than Americans who die because they couldn't pay. Our healthcare system down here is a crime against humanity
Let's keep things in perspective here. I was participating in a thread about Bernie Sanders' proposed healthcare plan in the Politics forum. I stated my opinion that I would not like to see Canadian-style healthcare in America, and added some links with report cards and data about issues within the Canadian system. I wasn't rude or insulting. I simply stated my opinion in a relevant thread elsewhere.
Unbrainwashed took an antagonistic approach and came to this forum to stir up some crap by starting this thread. He/she basically phrased their first post in a manner in which to lead one to believe that I'm an awful ugly Texan who has a hellbent mission to denigrate the Canadian healthcare system.
Chevyspoons then pointed out that one of my links wasn't an actual government link as I had mistakenly suggested and then accused me of a myriad of wrongdoings. His insults continued even after I corrected myself.
Several other Canadian posters chimed in and expressed rather defensive opinions about an American knocking Canadian healthcare. BruSan, I'm looking at you. Way to make things personal.
I walked away from this thread thinking "wow, it's shockingly easy to unintentionally anger Canadians" ... and ALL of this over a thread in the Politics forum about American healthcare in which I simply stated my preference for our current system. I didn't come take a giant poop on your forum nor did I say anything that should be taken so damn personally by anybody here.
A big to-do of nothing, blown entirely out of proportion, and all over a difference of opinion.
Let's keep things in perspective here. I was participating in a thread about Bernie Sanders' proposed healthcare plan in the Politics forum. I stated my opinion that I would not like to see Canadian-style healthcare in America, and added some links with report cards and data about issues within the Canadian system. I wasn't rude or insulting. I simply stated my opinion in a relevant thread elsewhere.
Unbrainwashed took an antagonistic approach and came to this forum to stir up some crap by starting this thread. He/she basically phrased their first post in a manner in which to lead one to believe that I'm an awful ugly Texan who has a hellbent mission to denigrate the Canadian healthcare system.
Chevyspoons then pointed out that one of my links wasn't an actual government link as I had mistakenly suggested and then accused me of a myriad of wrongdoings. His insults continued even after I corrected myself.
Several other Canadian posters chimed in and expressed rather defensive opinions about an American knocking Canadian healthcare. BruSan, I'm looking at you. Way to make things personal.
I walked away from this thread thinking "wow, it's shockingly easy to unintentionally anger Canadians" ... and ALL of this over a thread in the Politics forum about American healthcare in which I simply stated my preference for our current system. I didn't come take a giant poop on your forum nor did I say anything that should be taken so damn personally by anybody here.
A big to-do of nothing, blown entirely out of proportion, and all over a difference of opinion.
Ridiculous.
Ok so you don't want our H.C system (your opinion) and most Canadians (their opinion) don't want yours... Sounds like a done deal to me.
According to the W.H.O, Canada and the U.S don't have stellar systems for First World nations. Canada's system ranked 30th in the world and the U.S ranked 37th just ahead of Slovenia and Cuba.. Perhaps both countries could learn a bit from France, Italy and Spain - First world countries in the top 10 and stop focussing on one another's rather mediocre systems... Just a thought!
Ok so you don't want our H.C system (your opinion) and most Canadians (their opinion) don't want yours... Sounds like a done deal to me.
According to the W.H.O, Canada and the U.S don't have stellar systems for First World nations. Canada's system ranked 30th in the world and the U.S ranked 37th just ahead of Slovenia and Cuba.. Perhaps both countries could learn a bit from France, Italy and Spain - First world countries in the top 10 and stop focussing on one another's rather mediocre systems... Just a thought!
I'm very fortunate and have a wonderful plan for my family. We are very happy with our care and the freedom to see any doctors or specialists without pre-authorization or waiting periods. We have access to a vast number of care providers nationwide and same-day care is standard. Our prescriptions have become costly and our premiums continue to rise yearly, but the freedom to make our own choices under a private plan that doesn't involve the government is important to us and therefore worth the money we spend on it. We wouldn't like a nationalized plan. I can only speak for myself, and that's all that I was doing when a fellow poster decided to make this Nor Cal Wahine versus the Canadian nation. I wouldn't dare to presume what Canadians want or suggest that they should adopt our healthcare system.
Everyone is entitled to their own preferences. To turn an opposing preference into such a personal thing is an emotional response that I'm unable to understand. It seems incredibly defensive and petty to make this so personal. And that's all I have left to say on this topic.
I'm very fortunate and have a wonderful plan for my family. We are very happy with our care and the freedom to see any doctors or specialists without pre-authorization or waiting periods. We have access to a vast number of care providers nationwide and same-day care is standard. Our prescriptions have become costly and our premiums continue to rise yearly, but the freedom to make our own choices under a private plan that doesn't involve the government is important to us and therefore worth the money we spend on it. We wouldn't like a nationalized plan. I can only speak for myself, and that's all that I was doing when a fellow poster decided to make this Nor Cal Wahine versus the Canadian nation.
Everyone is entitled to their own preferences. To make an opposing preference such a personal thing is an emotional response that I'm unable to understand. It seems incredibly defensive and petty to make this so personal. And that's all I have left to say on this topic.
Yes we all have our own personal stories both good and bad.. I have wonderful stories to share about my nearest and dearest receiving top notch care in Canada. I myself am part of a great medical concept at Saint Mike's hospital here in Toronto - zero complaints but and this is a big but
Objectively it would appear in rankings that neither country scores very well against other first world nations.. It would also appear that generally Canada's system, including according to the World Health Organization is a better system than the U.S for its citizens.. That may be why you are getting the reaction you are. If the U.S was ranked in the top 10 than I think your opinion would garner more support from outside those who would be cheerleaders for you opinion.
So bringing personal experiences into it is simply being emotional and anecdotal. Objectively neither country ranks very highly against peers so that to me says a lot - that neither the U.S or Canada should look to one another as a model system and that is a very logical and reasonable (unemotional) take on things.
Now if Americans are happy with their system or most are than vote Republican (certainly don't #feelthebern) and abolish Obamacare etc etc and just say we don't want any other nations H.C system we are perfectly happy with our own.
Yes we all have our own personal stories both good and bad.. I have wonderful stories to share about my nearest and dearest receiving top notch care in Canada. I myself am part of a great medical concept at Saint Mike's hospital here in Toronto - zero complaints but and this is a big but
Objectively it would appear in rankings that neither country scores very well against other first world nations.. It would also appear that generally Canada's system, including according to the World Health Organization is a better system than the U.S for its citizens..
So bringing personal experiences into it is simply being emotional and anecdotal. Objectively neither country ranks very highly against peers so that to me says a lot - that neither the U.S or Canada should look to one another as a model system and that is a very logical and reasonable (unemotional) take on things.
Now if Americans are happy with their system or most are than vote Republican (certainly don't #feelthebern) and abolish Obamacare etc etc and just say we don't want any other nations H.C system we are perfectly happy with our own.
I'm a Democrat in favor of Obamacare versus Berniecare. It has flaws and I recognize that it will take years to work out kinks and make it a better system. I believe staying the course and giving it time to become a better program is a better alternative to scrapping it so soon and trying to put 320 million people on a nationalized plan when we can't even provide adequate care for our Veterans through the VA. Suffice to say, I'm not feeling the Bern.
I said I had nothing left to say but I wanted to add that.
I'm a Democrat in favor of Obamacare versus Berniecare. It has flaws and I recognize that it will take years to work out kinks and make it a better system. I believe staying the course and giving it time to become a better program is a better alternative to scrapping it so soon and trying to put 320 million people on a nationalized plan when we can't even provide adequate care for our Veterans through the VA. Suffice to say, I'm not feeling the Bern.
I said I had nothing left to say but I wanted to add that.
Fair enough but I think that any nation and its citizens should be open minded enough to avoid generalizing the H.C experience of another nation. At least benefit from knowing via facts/experience and objective research about what it is they are expressing. Making comments like the H.C system (or systems as Bimbam explained) is/are cratering is simply generalizing and really begging to get you some rather passionate responses from people. Many of those people (myself included) who have first hand experience in this country that is like the experiences in your own, mostly positive.
Again from an objective standpoint (I always thought Democrats to be more objective than Republicans), your system generally speaking does not rank higher than the nation you are critiquing.. Neither country has a model first world system.. I think we need to be honest about that in both countries instead of launching unwarranted assaults on the other.
Fair enough but I think that any nation and its citizens should be open minded enough to avoid generalizing the H.C experience of another nation. At least benefit from knowing via facts/experience and objective research about what it is they are expressing. Making comments like the H.C system (or systems as Bimbam explained) is/are cratering is simply generalizing and really begging to get you some rather passionate responses from people. Many of those people (myself included) who have first hand experience in this country that is like the experiences in your own, mostly positive.
Again from an objective standpoint (I always thought Democrats to be more objective than Republicans), your system generally speaking does not rank higher than the nation you are critiquing.. Neither country has a model first world system.. I think we need to be honest about that in both countries instead of launching unwarranted assaults on the other.
"Unwarranted assault"? Are you for real? I'm not going to explain my experience, research, why this thread was started, or reasoning behind my opinion ANY further. It's all here in multiple pages of thread. Read it or don't. Don't care any more.
I've made an informed decision that I prefer private care over socialized care. That's no unwarranted assault, it's a freaking opinion ... and the fact that some of you can't let it go and continue to defensively protest with your knickers in a twist is just ... ridiculous. Utterly absurd. There have been a number of offensive insults and generalizations lobbed at Americans as a whole in this thread, yet the critical focus here remains on a single American happy with her current healthcare who prefers it over what Canadians have. Perspective. You people need some.
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