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Old 06-05-2018, 11:23 AM
 
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1. Yes. You asked "what" I am, and I responded. Also, a brief glance at MTL demographics show that, yes, French is sitting at just under 50% of the mother-tongue spoken, but that's certainly not because of English. English has been sitting at 12% for what appears to be decades, and has been at a slight decline. The main reason for the sub-50% is the "OTHER" category. It's pretty hard to call 12% "anglicized."

2. Actually, not really. The suburbs directly between that town and Montreal are about 85% or so French.

+ the number of 12% is of less importance, because it does not include anglicized francophones or allophones who shifted towards English as their main language, the real number therefore, for main language, is 28%

+ 28% English is a record all-time high in the 21st century Montréal and it keeps increasing, while the native language remains stable

+ Of course it is because of English, English steals the % share of French and lures allophones into integrating into the English community, instead of integrating into the French community!

It becomes evident in the category everyday language.


+ I prefer to use the numbers for Montréal Island, because Dorval, Westmount, etc. are as close to downtown Montréal as are the other arrondissements. English is the native language of 19% of people on Montréal Island and it jumps to 28% as an everyday language, an increase of 47%, whereas the increase for French is only 14%.
So, 47 : 14 = 3,35. That means English is 3,35 times more powerful than Fench, despite French accounting close to 50% of the islands population. That's because many anglophones and some allophones shamelessly exploit Montréal's blingualism and ignore French.
So English has stolen and keeps stealing many allophones, who would otherwise have integrated into francophone society.
Within the city of Montréal, the increase is also much stronger in favor of English than for French.


+ That can only be something around Saint-Constant or Boucherville or Charlemagne. About 1/3 of the outerlying suburbs.


+ which language do you use know at home in Florida?

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Old 06-05-2018, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Flawduh
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+ which language do you use know at home in Florida?
Considering I don't know anyone here who speaks fluent French, I speak English and Spanish here, as those are the two languages I frequently encounter on a daily basis. Spanish stores are entirely in Spanish, so it's good to be fluent in the language if I want to interact with them.

When speaking with my relatives (who are still in Montreal) I speak with one in English and the other in French. No real reason why. It's just how it is.
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Old 06-05-2018, 01:09 PM
 
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+ the number of 12% is of less importance, because it does not include anglicized francophones or allophones who shifted towards English as their main language, the real number therefore, for main language, is 28%

+ 28% English is a record all-time high in the 21st century Montréal and it keeps increasing, while the native language remains stable

+ Of course it is because of English, English steals the % share of French and lures allophones into integrating into the English community, instead of integrating into the French community!

It becomes evident in the category everyday language.


+ I prefer to use the numbers for Montréal Island, because Dorval, Westmount, etc. are as close to downtown Montréal as are the other arrondissements. English is the native language of 19% of people on Montréal Island and it jumps to 28% as an everyday language, an increase of 47%, whereas the increase for French is only 14%.
So, 47 : 14 = 3,35. That means English is 3,35 times more powerful than Fench, despite French accounting close to 50% of the islands population. That's because many anglophones and some allophones shamelessly exploit Montréal's blingualism and ignore French.
So English has stolen and keeps stealing many allophones, who would otherwise have integrated into francophone society.
Within the city of Montréal, the increase is also much stronger in favor of English than for French.


+ That can only be something around Saint-Constant or Boucherville or Charlemagne. About 1/3 of the outerlying suburbs.


+ which language do you use know at home in Florida?
I disagree with your premise that English is taking over Montreal and that somehow the English are stealing the Allophone demographic however good for them if that is happening as knowing English opens up a wide range of potential if one leaves the confines of Quebec, unilingual francophones are virtual cultural prisoners of Quebec.
To answer the ops question i think its obvious linguistic tensions are very volatile in Quebec,say the wrong thing to the wrong person and expect to be berated for your lack of French.
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Old 06-05-2018, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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To answer the ops question i think its obvious linguistic tensions are very volatile in Quebec,say the wrong thing to the wrong person and expect to be berated for your lack of French.
Bwaaaaaaaah it very rarely bubbles over these days.
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Old 06-05-2018, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Flawduh
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Bwaaaaaaaah it very rarely bubbles over these days.
Yeah I've been back to Montreal a few times with non-French-speaking friends, and they never had any issues anywhere getting service in English, including in some very French parts of the South Shore.

Now, say I went to a local dive bar and I attempted to speak to the bartenders/servers in English despite having a very French name and clearly a full understanding of the language, no doubt I'd be frowned at quite some.
But outsiders aren't going to have any issues like that for the most part.
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Old 06-05-2018, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Yeah I've been back to Montreal a few times with non-French-speaking friends, and they never had any issues anywhere getting service in English, including in some very French parts of the South Shore.

Now, say I went to a local dive bar and I attempted to speak to the bartenders/servers in English despite having a very French name and clearly a full understanding of the language, no doubt I'd be frowned at quite some.
But outsiders aren't going to have any issues like that for the most part.
It also depends on your attitude too. This applies anywhere you go in the world.
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Old 06-06-2018, 05:08 AM
 
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Hi everyone,

I'm planning a trip to Toronto/Canada in September.
I'm from LA, but since I'm going with my cousin in Mexico, we'll fly from Mexico City to Toronto.

Once in Canada, I plan to rent a car and drive ourselves around...

This is our first time in Canada. So we're both pretty excited... but also very unfamiliar...

I plan to do an Airbnb, about 4 nights in Toronto, and 4 nights in Montreal...

My biggest concern is the drive from Toronto to Montreal... is it bad?

I'm 100% fluent in English, but my French is very limited-basic... would this be in issue when driving and entering Quebec and in Montreal?

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My other option is to go with a bus tour, where it includes hotel. So everything is pretty arrange for you..but you have to go with their schedule... but idk if this better

Any suggestions?


Thanks!
Sorry for helping to hijack your topic, bottom line hope you have a good time in Montreal no matter which way you decide to get here. A taste of our great city =Summers in Marvelous Montreal | Explore the Beautiful City
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Old 06-07-2018, 08:54 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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On one of my early trips to Canada, in November 1976 I drove the other direction, from Montreal to near Watertown, New York and down I-81 back to college. I got a ticket just as I crossed the Ontario line when the speed limit dropped. A few weeks later I paid it. My college friends thought I was crazy, to pay a Canadian ticket.

I thought I was being a good neighbor. Now, the only jurisdictions New York has reciprocity with are Ontario and Quebec, and no U.S. states. Then, that was not the case. Go figure.
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Old 06-08-2018, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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On one of my early trips to Canada, in November 1976 I drove the other direction, from Montreal to near Watertown, New York and down I-81 back to college. I got a ticket just as I crossed the Ontario line when the speed limit dropped. A few weeks later I paid it. My college friends thought I was crazy, to pay a Canadian ticket.

I thought I was being a good neighbor. Now, the only jurisdictions New York has reciprocity with are Ontario and Quebec, and no U.S. states. Then, that was not the case. Go figure.
I believe Quebec has reciprocity for traffic tickets with NY, VT, NH, ME and FL at the very least.
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