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Old 06-19-2018, 04:00 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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I don't hold any blame for Americans wanting to put America first as long as they understand that every country in the world is not going to think in terms of putting America first. So it's almost meaningless to say something like that as the international trade that over the years has made everybody more prosperous is built on give and take.
I can understand this point of view. Countries are like people. At the end of the day, everybody wants what is of greatest benefit to them.

What went wrong with the international world order was that there was too much focus on the global, and too little on the local. It became unbalanced, and that is why there needed to be a reshuffling of priorities. Hence, movements like Brexit and Trump.
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Old 06-19-2018, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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I have a crush on you too.


Haha! You're going to need a bigger table BruSan!
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Old 06-19-2018, 04:01 PM
 
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Trump now has plans to assert domination in a space war with nuclear bombs to disable satellites. Just imagine what that will look like if there's a mis-fire.


When Trump announced space force...Pence immediately said he would volunteer to probe Uranus...Trump gave him a thumbs up.
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Old 06-19-2018, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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I can understand this point of view. Countries are like people. At the end of the day, everybody wants what is of greatest benefit to them.

What went wrong with the international world order was that there was too much focus on the global, and too little on the local. It became unbalanced, and that is why there needed to be a reshuffling of priorities. Hence, movements like Brexit and Trump.
Blind jingoism and nationalism are not the answer.
Well, actually they are the answer that is playing out, but the eventual outcome is not likely going to be the one that is sought.
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Old 06-19-2018, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I can understand this point of view. Countries are like people. At the end of the day, everybody wants what is of greatest benefit to them.

What went wrong with the international world order was that there was too much focus on the global, and too little on the local. It became unbalanced, and that is why there needed to be a reshuffling of priorities. Hence, movements like Brexit and Trump.
I agree with you that there was too little focus on the local. However, to put it bluntly, Donald Trump is not the person who will put it right because he is not sane. I don't believe any good can come long term from someone who is not in his right mind and I believe it will not only hurt other countries but you yourselves. Anything good that happens under Donald Trump is an accident due to his mental condition. And it can easily go the other way and turn around. That is what I personally find alarming.

I wish Americans well. I wish your economy to prosper. I wish you to retain your status in the world. When you prosper, we prosper. I think almost every Canadian (and other nationality) would say the same. It is the unpredictability of Trump and his impact on the rest of the world that concerns people. There is a huge difference in Canadians (and others) disagreeing with American policies under a normal president and being presented with Trump. A Trump president, regardless of what party he represents is not good for the world and I don't believe it will be good for you guys (although I have every hope I am wrong).
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Old 06-19-2018, 04:12 PM
 
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Haha! You're going to need a bigger table BruSan!

Goodness me!
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Old 06-20-2018, 12:42 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Would you expect Canadians to protest their leader for trivial personal reasons if he skillfully averted a nuclear missile attack from a rogue foreign nation?
You actually believe that is what happened?

Wow.
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Old 06-20-2018, 01:16 AM
 
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You actually believe that is what happened?

Wow.
Kim Jong Un was on the verge of attacking an American territory - Guam - about 8 months ago. He also threatened to attack cities on the American mainland. North Korea has a long history of missile tests and nuclear threats going back many years through previous Presidential administrations who were unable to do much about it. Scary stuff if you live in the United States.

So yes, Trump was instrumental in averting this threat (so we hope) along with partnering nations in the region.
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Old 06-20-2018, 04:53 AM
 
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Kim Jong Un was on the verge of attacking an American territory - Guam - about 8 months ago. He also threatened to attack cities on the American mainland. North Korea has a long history of missile tests and nuclear threats going back many years through previous Presidential administrations who were unable to do much about it. Scary stuff if you live in the United States.

So yes, Trump was instrumental in averting this threat (so we hope) along with partnering nations in the region.
How many people took those threats seriously though? The NK regime has been threatening the US since the 50's.

I'm still uncertain about how to feel about the meeting. It's a positive development, I'll give you that, but then why did it have to happen at the expense of the G7 summit?

In fact, I find the timing odd. Why was the meeting scheduled to take place at the same time as the G7? Out of all the world leaders, Kim would be among the least busy in the world since he barely meets with anyone, so it could have been organized differently. Let's be real here, the G7 is far more important then NK.
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Old 06-20-2018, 05:52 AM
 
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Kim Jong Un was on the verge of attacking an American territory - Guam - about 8 months ago. He also threatened to attack cities on the American mainland. North Korea has a long history of missile tests and nuclear threats going back many years through previous Presidential administrations who were unable to do much about it. Scary stuff if you live in the United States.

So yes, Trump was instrumental in averting this threat (so we hope) along with partnering nations in the region.
You cannot be serious! You actually believe this guy had the desire to bring an end to his privileged lifestyle and his hold on what would be left of his country altogether simply out of dislike for America?

A tenuous grasp on reality should be the minimum expected of you but you actually believe Trump averted an attack on the U.S.?

Boy, oh boy, here you have just one man; Trump thinking, or at least "acting" like this idiot with his test missile launches actually posed a threat to the World. No other leaders of any other nation came to that conclusion but Trump was amazingly prescient.


Ask yourself why "previous admins did nothing about it" while considering some of those from 1954 onward were pretty bright people with very astute Secretaries of State and foreign policy advisors. Ask yourself why no other country, some of whom far closer in proximity than the U.S., with the power to confront him chose not to. Ask yourself why no other nation deemed it necessary.

Kim concluded some time ago that his nation was going to remain a starving backwater if he did not leverage a position on the world stage. China had gotten itself into an economic situation that precluded them financing his continued lavish lifestyle and military expenses by feeding his people for him.

How does one go about affecting recognition and acceptance when one has no economic seat at any table? How does one achieve that without appearing to capitulate and admit defeat?

You do what Kim did KNOWING in advance Trump's not the sharpest knife in the drawer and you wrest concessions from the biggest gorilla in the room while "appearing" to agree to terms unspecified.

China was the puppet master in all of this grand charade and for you not to acknowledge what the rest of the entire planet knows as fact is just another example of some Americans propensity to ignore all the facts and go with nonsense as told to them by a talking head.
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