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Old 11-01-2021, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Alberta
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Apparently Quebec is going to use a law called Bill 96 to to modify the Canadian constitution for it's own ends:

Under this bill the Canadian constitution is going to recognize as it's very own "nation-state" within the confines of Canada and passes a series of increasingly draconian language laws.

How can Quebec do this if they refused to sign the constitution in the first place?

I am for reconciliation between Quebec and the rest of the provinces, but isn't this kind of forcing their will on 9 other provinces? Isn't this going to affect life for all Canadians, whether we want it or not?

It seems to me that this is only going to divide the country further.

So far, the vast majority of francophones (> 80%) in Quebec support the bill, while less than 5% of English speakers in Quebec support it..

Now a precedent will be set that Quebec is a "nation-state" that can come and go from Canada at any time.

We have to give credit where it is due. Quebec's premier Francois Legault has boldly capitalized on the Coronavirus and the other recent domestic disturbances for the benefit of Quebec nationalism.

Now his approval ratings have exploded to 70-80% in Quebec, and he has led to a resurgence in national feeling among Quebecers.


Legault toasts to Bill 96

What I am wondering is how this will affect the future of the country. Does this mean any province can now be it's own country within a country?
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Old 11-03-2021, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada
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How can Quebec do this if they refused to sign the constitution in the first place?
They can't. Quebec is completely out of her league. Unfortunately our government is afraid to stand up to Quebec and has a record of heeding Quebec's constant demands. Going against Quebec's demands have become political suicide. For a province that uses blackmail and threats of secession they have way too much say in the future of one of the greatest nations to ever exist - Canada.

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I am for reconciliation between Quebec and the rest of the provinces, but isn't this kind of forcing their will on 9 other provinces? Isn't this going to affect life for all Canadians, whether we want it or not?
It certainly will in the future, this could open a pandora's box. Speaking as a former Quebec resident who is familiar with the pepsi-mentality - that might be the plan all along.

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So far, the vast majority of francophones (> 80%) in Quebec support the bill, while less than 5% of English speakers in Quebec support it..

Now a precedent will be set that Quebec is a "nation-state" that can come and go from Canada at any time.
Exactly - it's a win/win for the francophones. Whether they are in the 'let's milk the other provinces' camp or the separatist camp. Most are in one of these two fundamental camps in my experience.

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We have to give credit where it is due. Quebec's premier Francois Legault has boldly capitalized on the Coronavirus and the other recent domestic disturbances for the benefit of Quebec nationalism.

Now his approval ratings have exploded to 70-80% in Quebec, and he has led to a resurgence in national feeling among Quebecers.
I have to say that I have a token of admiration for those of them who are so passionate about creating a pure laine French homeland in North America. They certainly are persistent.
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Old 11-03-2021, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Canada
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They can't. Quebec is completely out of her league. Unfortunately our government is afraid to stand up to Quebec and has a record of heeding Quebec's constant demands. Going against Quebec's demands have become political suicide. For a province that uses blackmail and threats of secession they have way too much say in the future of one of the greatest nations to ever exist - Canada.

It certainly will in the future, this could open a pandora's box. Speaking as a former Quebec resident who is familiar with the pepsi-mentality - that might be the plan all along

Exactly - it's a win/win for the francophones. Whether they are in the 'let's milk the other provinces' camp or the separatist camp. Most are in one of these two fundamental camps in my experience.

I have to say that I have a token of admiration for those of them who are so passionate about creating a pure laine French homeland in North America. They certainly are persistent.
Why do you always undermine whatever points you might have by name-calling?
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Old 11-04-2021, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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Why do you always undermine whatever points you might have by name-calling?
Thank you.
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Old 11-04-2021, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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They can't. Quebec is completely out of her league. Unfortunately our government is afraid to stand up to Quebec and has a record of heeding Quebec's constant demands. Going against Quebec's demands have become political suicide. For a province that uses blackmail and threats of secession they have way too much say in the future of one of the greatest nations to ever exist - Canada.


It certainly will in the future, this could open a pandora's box. Speaking as a former Quebec resident who is familiar with the pepsi-mentality - that might be the plan all along.



Exactly - it's a win/win for the francophones. Whether they are in the 'let's milk the other provinces' camp or the separatist camp. Most are in one of these two fundamental camps in my experience.



I have to say that I have a token of admiration for those of them who are so passionate about creating a pure laine French homeland in North America. They certainly are persistent.
It was the anglo establishment that reduced French to essentially Quebec. It used to spoken all over Canada. One could make a strong argument that this move unwittingly consolidated Quebec into it's nation instead. If the anglos hadn't discriminated so heavily against francos then perhaps Canada would have evolved into one bilingual nation instead of a political entity created by an alliance between multiple nations. Now we find ourselves in a situation where if Canada doesn't benefit Quebec then it makes sense for a now further solidified Quebecois nation to seek independence.

I take the so called pepsi-mentality as a compliment. Is the pepsi mentality having lower violent crime rates than the anglos, stronger moral values, and a viable culture? Are those really bad things?
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Old 11-05-2021, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Is this thread worth it to me?
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Old 11-05-2021, 10:01 AM
 
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Is this thread worth it to me?
No, it isn’t.
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Old 11-05-2021, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Canada
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..... What I am wondering is how this will affect the future of the country. Does this mean any province can now be it's own country within a country?
It won't effect the future of the country. None of the provinces, including Quebec, are going to become their own countries within Canada.


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Is this thread worth it to me?
No, it isn't, it's a flash in the pan.

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Old 11-12-2021, 06:44 AM
 
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Is this thread worth it to me?
Only if you're the type to enjoy listening to an endless loop of the Beach Boys rendition of "Good Vibrations" while trapped in an elevator for 6 hrs.
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Old 11-13-2021, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Well, here's a funny story. My Kindle has recently decided to be thoroughly Canadian and present the home shopping page partly in French, this despite my language settings being UK English.

A restart at first fixed the issue but now having decided to be completely bilingual, my Kindle has both French and English headings: "Les meilleures ventes" "For You in History," etc.

The books on the choices are still English books and it wouldn't be an issue other than the French version usually doesn't have Kindle Daily Deals in the menu, only monthly.

???!!
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