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The cruise ship are tacky and trashy. There is Ft. Lauderdale/S.Florida if you want this stuff. Charleston is being ruined by this mindset and development. Some places should be off-limits to this type of nonsense. With Charleston's rich heritage and historical significance, it is one of those. HUGE thank you to all that made this possible
Apparently you've never been on lines like Cunard, Seabourn, and Silversea. I don't think $5000pp and up fares would be the norm if those ships were tacky and trashy. I love this city, but damn, no need to be a tree hugger. It's called compromise.
I agree that the judge used the technicality issue to throw it out and it 'seems' like they will be able to fix it and move on but I think that those groups will be looking for all the holes in the new submission as well. There is no doubt they are doing everything in their power to slow the process.
I didn't actually know anything about the Coastal Conservation League until I Googled it about 10 minutes ago. According to their website they do not want to stop the process. Here is what their website says they want:
• A cap of 104 ships annually. The SPA asserts that this is the maximum number of ships the cruise market will support. This number should be codified.
• A ship size limit of 3,500 passengers. The SPA states that no ship larger than this will call on Charleston. We have asked for a binding agreement confirming this commitment.
• An enforceable agreement between the city and the cruise lines stating that no waste will be discharged closer than twelve miles from land. The cruise industry’s trade association has made this promise verbally. It should be written and verifiable.
• Shore side power at the new terminal. Other major cruise destinations around the country include electric plug-ins, allowing ships to turn off their engines. Charleston should have the same.
• Shuttle service and offsite parking combined with a parking garage, to eliminate the need to devote 9 acres of prime waterfront property to a surface parking lot.
• Enforcement of the city’s noise ordinance.
• A fee to offset the costs to the city of managing cruise visits. Currently, the city of Charleston receives no income whatsoever from visiting ships.
Again, I know nothing about the history of this issue. But a lot of the points above seem prudent to me (the waste disposal one, for example).
Most cruise terminals don't have anything to do right off the property. It is a place to embark & disembark. Beyond that, maybe a parking lot. Since when does the terminal itself become the destination?
I have no idea whether that's true or not, but as-is, the naval station is not the kind of place to be dropping off a bunch of people unless the object is to prevent them from ever returning.
I have no idea whether that's true or not, but as-is, the naval station is not the kind of place to be dropping off a bunch of people unless the object is to prevent them from ever returning.
It's true. Most cruise ports have nothing to do "right there." It's rare you can get off the ship and all the excitement is in front of you. This applied to some of our stops in Hawaii, which I'm sure the locals wanted to keep their coastline as beautiful as it is just like the people of Charleston and they have done it there.
It is possible to run a successful cruise port here without it damaging the city. Research just needs to be done and set in place.
I didn't actually know anything about the Coastal Conservation League until I Googled it about 10 minutes ago. According to their website they do not want to stop the process. Here is what their website says they want:
• A cap of 104 ships annually. The SPA asserts that this is the maximum number of ships the cruise market will support. This number should be codified.
• A ship size limit of 3,500 passengers. The SPA states that no ship larger than this will call on Charleston. We have asked for a binding agreement confirming this commitment.
• An enforceable agreement between the city and the cruise lines stating that no waste will be discharged closer than twelve miles from land. The cruise industry’s trade association has made this promise verbally. It should be written and verifiable.
• Shore side power at the new terminal. Other major cruise destinations around the country include electric plug-ins, allowing ships to turn off their engines. Charleston should have the same.
• Shuttle service and offsite parking combined with a parking garage, to eliminate the need to devote 9 acres of prime waterfront property to a surface parking lot.
• Enforcement of the city’s noise ordinance.
• A fee to offset the costs to the city of managing cruise visits. Currently, the city of Charleston receives no income whatsoever from visiting ships.
Again, I know nothing about the history of this issue. But a lot of the points above seem prudent to me (the waste disposal one, for example).
Diesel smoke from container ships or diesel smoke from cruise ships. That is the biggest thing I have a problem with. Don't require an extra few million dollars to have electric powered docked ships when not having them just means Union will be used for industry.
Diesel smoke from container ships or diesel smoke from cruise ships. That is the biggest thing I have a problem with. Don't require an extra few million dollars to have electric powered docked ships when not having them just means Union will be used for industry.
Don't get greedy at the expense of business.
I'm not saying I agree with all of what they want. I'm just pointing out that everyone is all up in arms about how the Coastal Conservation League is trying to "stop" this from happening and that isn't at all what their website says. No thinking person could ever possibly disagree with the proposition that a cruise ship shouldn't be allowed to dump its sewage into the Charleston harbor, for example.
I'm not saying I agree with all of what they want. I'm just pointing out that everyone is all up in arms about how the Coastal Conservation League is trying to "stop" this from happening and that isn't at all what their website says. No thinking person could ever possibly disagree with the proposition that a cruise ship shouldn't be allowed to dump its sewage into the Charleston harbor, for example.
The other demands are fine. If they think it will prevent an onslaught of people, they're wrong, but let the studies they want show that.
Apparently you've never been on lines like Cunard, Seabourn, and Silversea. I don't think $5000pp and up fares would be the norm if those ships were tacky and trashy. I love this city, but damn, no need to be a tree hugger. It's called compromise.
I dont care what the fares are, thats not the point.
They're filthy, stink and a blight on the horizon.
No, you dont love this city if you want that type of "compromise".
The Floridification of the Charleston area is a shame. Very sad.
There should be some things that cant be wrecked for the sake of a developer making a dollar.
I dont care what the fares are, thats not the point.
They're filthy, stink and a blight on the horizon.
No, you dont love this city if you want that type of "compromise".
The Floridification of the Charleston area is a shame. Very sad.
There should be some things that cant be wrecked for the sake of a developer making a dollar.
No state tax be nice.
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