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So we have a double standard. When I provided an article to you from that time, which you requested BTW, your response was this:
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So July 31, 2008 is not OK but August 2008 is. Of course the reason you gave such a silly dismissal is because that article disproved what you had said.
LOL. You are joking, of course.
The cases are very different - I was LOOKING BACK at Aug. 2008 sentiment to show how different it was.
Poor Ms Yates seems to have missed the bubble, and the overvaluation of property, as she spoke cheerfully about how healthy the market was. That was one of my main points, the other was to record the names of the new condos from the bubble era.
This is the opinion of one person. Many of the people you have chosen to cite here for their opinions have had their theories tested in the real world and they were found, without exception to be nonsense. Furthermore what does this have to do about Charlotte?
I also find it silly that someone would make a broad generalization about a nation of 300+ million as being badly uneducated about any given subject. This is the Charlotte forum and honestly, you are not going to get much traction her by curtly informing us that we are ignorant.
No?
I think you have just proven your ignorance by so quickly dismissing JH Kunstler, Strong Towns, and the New Urbanist movement. The superficial nature of the comments that several people are putting on this thread is really starting to get to me, and I am considering taking a break. I have my own website, and might rather spend the time there, and only dip in here from time-to-time.
If somehow due to a lot of demand these hypothetical places do get very expensive, the people that can't afford them will still look for cheaper alternatives further out...
They get expensive partly because people STOP paying for auto transport, and have more money to spend on their housing. I have shown elsewhere, that Americans spend an average of US$8,000 per annum on their cars. That can go a long way, if it is shifting into housing
No?
I think you have just proven your ignorance by so quickly dismissing JH Kunstler, Strong Towns, and the New Urbanist movement.
This is your opinion and therefore does not constitute proof. I will be glad to discuss the specific details of any project in Charlotte as it relates to these topics. However I notice that when his happens, you all of a sudden ignore it when it doesn't fit the faulty narrative that you are tying to put forth. So I guess you will not want to discuss Charlotte specific details.
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...and I am considering taking a break. I have my own website, and might rather spend the time there, and only dip in here from time-to-time.
LOL. You are joking, of course.
The cases are very different -.....
The information I gave you was actually relevant to today. Unlike that from Yates which you admit yourself was faulty. (after I proved it) Yates had already taken too many smokes from the new urbanist hopium bong and failed to see the rather simple economics of such construction in a city like Charlotte. She isn't the only one making this mistake. (or jokes)
They get expensive partly because people STOP paying for auto transport, and have more money to spend on their housing. I have shown elsewhere, that Americans spend an average of US$8,000 per annum on their cars. That can go a long way, if it is shifting into housing
But if the property around the transit stations is some of the most expensive in the city, even if it costs the same to live there with no car as it does to live in a less expensive house and spend the savings on your car, many people will still choose to live in a 3-4 BR house with a yard than to live in a 1BR condo...
You also don't appear to be factoring in that riding the transit systems are not free. For example, a monthly pass for the DC metro costs $230. That is $2,760 per year, which is cutting into that $8K figure (if that is even accurate).
Good Lord. This is Pennsylvania Station in Philadelphia. It's a historic landmark built in 1933 ...
This station is classic Americana and I can't imagine that anyone knowledgeable about the place would cast negative comments about it. It would be a tragedy to tear it down and replace it with one of those glass and stainless steel stations that have absolutely no connection to history or the area. Thankfully, we uneducated Americans know better than this.
Who said anything about tearing it down?
I lived in NYC for a few years and appreciated Grand Central station, and Penn Station there. I don't want to see landmarks torn down anymore than you do. I merely said, this station does not engage people from the outside. You have to get inside the building before you have a sense of its true purpose as a transport gateway.
Here's what modern design in train station looks like in my part of the world:
Kowloon Express Train station - still under construction
Like it or hate it, this represents the future, while Penn Station is the past. I believe th Kowloon station was designed by western architects, but I shall need to check the credits for it.
You also don't appear to be factoring in that riding the transit systems are not free. For example, a monthly pass for the DC metro costs $230. That is $2,760 per year, which is cutting into that $8K figure (if that is even accurate).
I accept that.
But the car owners may/will also spend something on local transport when they are in the city, so their non-personal-car transport bill will not be zero either. Whatever they spend will come on top of their car costs.
But if the property around the transit stations is some of the most expensive in the city, even if it costs the same to live there with no car as it does to live in a less expensive house and spend the savings on your car, many people will still choose to live in a 3-4 BR house with a yard than to live in a 1BR condo...
You also don't appear to be factoring in that riding the transit systems are not free. For example, a monthly pass for the DC metro costs $230. That is $2,760 per year, which is cutting into that $8K figure (if that is even accurate).
bingo... especially when a person can get the that 3 BR house 2 to 5 miles from Uptown.
Indeed. The information I gave you was actually relevant to today. Unlike that from Yates which you admit yourself was faulty. Yates had already taken too many smokes from the new urbanist hopium bong and failed to see the rather simple economics of such construction in a city like Charlotte. She isn't the only one making this mistake.
Yes.
She was too busy selling, to bother to understand the dynamics of her product.
Many sales people make that mistake. And I though her presentation technique was fine, with that in mind. But don't take market analysis from a sales person.
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