LAKEVIEW CRIME WAVE CONTINUES: 7 robbed overnight by gun (Chicago: move to, car)

[urza216]

"Hey, ex girlfriend's new boyfriend... You look suspcisous. Time to frisk ya! With stop and frisk, I don't have to give you or anyone else a reason for why I did it.

And I better not see you in this neighborhood again."

Like I said... You know cops are just people, right? They aren't angelic guardians.

[mjtinmemphis]

Originally Posted by lenniel

Here's another scenario....Let's say there's a nice country club in a lily white suburb where golfers like to hang out at the bar and drink after finishing their round. Let's say there have been a high number of car accidents due to DUI near said CC. Now, the police decide to start putting up sobriety check points on the roads near the CC where people leaving the CC are likely to travel.
Is this a violation of these peoples' civil rights? After all, what right or suspicion do the police have to randomly pull people over and make them prove their sobriety? What about people who weren't even at the CC or don't belong? Oh by the way, if you decide you don't want to wear a seatbelt because you think you're in your right not to, you're probably going to get a nice ticket and fine for that.

Even though you maybe stepped on a few toes and perceivably 'violated' a civil right or two, the end result is that you'll probably have fewer people drinking and driving after leaving the CC, making it safer for everyone.

I was asking questions to see if you are writing based on fact not looking for a scenario. I don't think you know what you're writing about. I asked specific w questions about s n f

[lenniel]

Originally Posted by urza216

"Hey, ex girlfriend's new boyfriend... You look suspcisous. Time to frisk ya! With stop and frisk, I don't have to give you or anyone else a reason for why I did it.

And I better not see you in this neighborhood again."

Like I said... You know cops are just people, right? They aren't angelic guardians.

Sure, that could happen. But a cop also might see a guy he arrested previously, have a hunch, S n F him and get a gun off the street.
Which is more likely? A cop having a vendetta against a former girlfriend or a cop being able to pick out a gangbanger?

[urza216]

Originally Posted by lenniel

Sure, that could happen. But a cop also might see a guy he arrested previously, have a hunch, S n F him and get a gun off the street.
Which is more likely? A cop having a vendetta against a former girlfriend or a cop being able to pick out a gangbanger?

Most stop and frisks don't happen to gangbangers. A cop is more likely to be frisking an innocent man than a guilty man in NYC.

Either way, cops are human beings with human prejudices and human emotions frisking whoever they want and answering to no one about it.. And of course, racial profiling is gonna be a major problem. But pointing out "problems" suggests that the whole thing isn't outrageous to start. It's like complaining that a murderer gave his victim a slow death when he should've given the victim a quick and painless death. Murder is wrong altogether and so is stop and frisk.

I think you and ChiNaan actually have something in common. You think being white makes you invisible and that something like this would never happen to you. Too bad it can.

[lenniel]

Originally Posted by urza216

"Hey, ex girlfriend's new boyfriend... You look suspcisous. Time to frisk ya! With stop and frisk, I don't have to give you or anyone else a reason for why I did it.

And I better not see you in this neighborhood again."

Like I said... You know cops are just people, right? They aren't angelic guardians.

Originally Posted by urza216

Most stop and frisks don't happen to gangbangers. A cop is more likely to be frisking an innocent man than a guilty man in NYC.

Either way, cops are human beings with human prejudices and human emotions frisking whoever they want and answering to no one about it.. And of course, racial profiling is gonna be a major problem. But pointing out "problems" suggests that the whole thing isn't outrageous to start. It's like complaining that a murderer gave his victim a slow death when he should've given the victim a quick and painless death. Murder is wrong altogether and so is stop and frisk.

I think you and ChiNaan actually have something in common. You think being white makes you invisible and that something like this would never happen to you. Too bad it can.

So explain to me why S n F has worked so well in NY?
Explain to me whether or not you think you should have to wear a seatbelt?
Explain to me why you can't refuse to comply at a sobriety checkpoint?
Explain how a cop only has to have 'probable cause' to search your vehicle, even if he just wants to make your day suck?
Explain to me why you can't play your stereo as loud as you possibly want in your own home (assuming you have neighbors that would be annoyed and call the cops).
See, even though we live in the USA, there are certain 'rights' that we give up for the greater good. Giving our cops the ability to S n F might be one of those if it decreases crime.

[Alacran]

Stop and frisk is annoying.

We don't have it but it still happens.

Last week I was stopped while pulling out of a basketball court for no reason.

"Durrr we've had a problem with ppl using drugs at this park, durr" "u guyz just seemed a bit awkward playing, and then you sit in the car for a while"

No mother****er. I suck at basketball, and I was in my car for 60 seconds waiting for you to pass because I didn't want to bump into you since you weren't moving from behind me.

It's not a big deal, but when this happens all the time it just piles on and on and it gets annoying to the point where cops are not seen as anything but a nuisance.

[mjtinmemphis]

Originally Posted by lenniel

So explain to me why S n F has worked so well in NY?
.

What makes you think it's worked well?

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by urza216

I think you and ChiNaan actually have something in common. You think being white makes you invisible and that something like this would never happen to you. Too bad it can.

I'm a white guy, and I was stopped and frisked right here in Chicago by a plainclothes policeman a few years ago. I was walking down Lincoln Avenue at the far end of the Lincoln Square area (around what is called "Budlong Woods"). Apparently I fit the description of someone who committed a robbery in a nearby park just a few minutes earlier.

I was more paunchy then than now, and the cop thought I was hiding the stolen loot, whatever it was, underneath my shirt. Of course, it was just belly fat. The whole thing was over in a couple minutes after the cop realized he had the wrong person, and I went on my way.

I didn't know what to make of the incident. It was disturbing, but I decided to get on with things and not worry about it.

[urza216]

Originally Posted by andrew61

I'm a white guy, and I was stopped and frisked right here in Chicago by a plainclothes policeman a few years ago. I was walking down Lincoln Avenue at the far end of the Lincoln Square area (around what is called "Budlong Woods"). Apparently I fit the description of someone who committed a robbery in a nearby park just a few minutes earlier.

I was more paunchy then than now, and the cop thought I was hiding the stolen loot, whatever it was, underneath my shirt. Of course, it was just belly fat. The whole thing was over in a couple minutes after the cop realized he had the wrong person, and I went on my way.

I didn't know what to make of the incident. It was disturbing, but I decided to get on with things and not worry about it.

Different people are different. I really really don't like it when pigs rub thier hand on my ass. Especially when he could have been lying about you fitting the description about a crime that had been committed. I have been pulled over and had my car searched because the cop thought it was peculiar that I was lost and kept on turning around and going in different directions.

[Alacran]

Originally Posted by andrew61

I'm a white guy, and I was stopped and frisked right here in Chicago by a plainclothes policeman a few years ago. I was walking down Lincoln Avenue at the far end of the Lincoln Square area (around what is called "Budlong Woods"). Apparently I fit the description of someone who committed a robbery in a nearby park just a few minutes earlier.

I was more paunchy then than now, and the cop thought I was hiding the stolen loot, whatever it was, underneath my shirt. Of course, it was just belly fat. The whole thing was over in a couple minutes after the cop realized he had the wrong person, and I went on my way.

I didn't know what to make of the incident. It was disturbing, but I decided to get on with things and not worry about it.

Like I said. It's fine if it happens once.

But if it happens multiple times it gets annoying.
I knew people getting out of work late and getting stopped all the time because they where out late.

Narcs can stop you for anything btw. So Stop and frisk already happens.