60 shot, 6 killed in holiday weekend Chicago violence (Berkeley, Oakland: legal, trailer)

[CCrest182]

Originally Posted by nana053

It might help if they had more resources. Where are the wealthy people who have businesses suffering from the perception of Chicago as violent? They need to put their money out there to help solve this problem. The thing is, the problem cannot be solved by any single group or individual or tactic. Someone needs to actually find ways to get the culture of violence stopped.

If we want change, we need to focus on the actual issues, and stop doing things that don't do anything (I.E. marching down the street yelling "STOP THE VIOLENCE!", stricter gun control). I believe the biggest thing we need is stricter education in bad neighborhoods, with that, parental courses to teach the responsibility of not getting knocked up by some thug, and to teach the true importance of a two parent household. This can attack many problems at the roots. The majority of criminals are raised by single parents. The biggest issues in this city are gangs, but that should be obvious. We need stricter sentences and longer sentences. Putting a thug behind bars for 8 years and then releasing him so he can go commit more crime isn't the answer. We also need strong leaders. The thugs in power now (Rahm, McCarthy) need to go, in fact, THEY should be thrown behind bars. After this violent weekend, McCarthy continues to blame the guns, instead of root out actual issues. The people of Chicago, need to wake up, and vote for candidates who truly have good things to do, not thugs who think banning guns and spending money on useless crap is the answer.

[MaxLMG]

One thing I really hate is how the term "Chicago" is used. Of course, I know the city limits, but it's used to encompass a 150mile surrounding radius lol. I used to joke that if you lived anywhere in Illinois, you lived in "Chicago". It's used too ambigiously.

[Ace Rothstein]

Originally Posted by marothisu

Unfortunately this paints an interesting picture. The thing is that the crime rate of Chicago (and other US cities) has been coming down steadily since the late 90s or early 2000s - before McCarthy and Emmanuel had anything to do with local Chicago politics.

Some of these things may be weird, I agree, but reclassifying crimes is nothing new in any city in the world that collects data. The thought on here that Chicago is the only city in the US that covers up certain crimes sometimes is a really funny one to me.

It is a fairly recent issue as crime was steadily dropping about 4% year over year from the mid-90's until 2010. Suddenly from 2010 going forward, crime starts dropping about 17% year over year. Some pretty shady stuff going on the last few years.

[lenniel]

Originally Posted by nana053

It might help if they had more resources. Where are the wealthy people who have businesses suffering from the perception of Chicago as violent? They need to put their money out there to help solve this problem. The thing is, the problem cannot be solved by any single group or individual or tactic. Someone needs to actually find ways to get the culture of violence stopped.

Throwing money at the problem will not solve it.
Jesse Jackson's entire empire is built on throwing money at the problem and all it's done is make him rich and put his kid in jail.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by CCrest182

Anti-violence groups have done minimal, if anything to stop or even reduce violence in Chicago, and other U.S. gang ridden cities. These groups have been around since the 80's, 90's, and all the way through now. Did you hear about that south side shooting where an anti-violence activist was shot and killed this year?

You casually say this and don't realize that homicides in Chicago have been cut in half since 1990, and homicides in the country as a whole have decreased at only a slightly less rapid rate.

That's fine if you want to argue that the "anti-violence groups" aren't responsible for any of this decrease (I'd probably agree with you). But who is responsible?

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by ATUMRE75

Very sad and hard to comprehend this type of violence is happening in America.

82 people shot in one weekend really!!
82 shot, 14 killed in Chicago 4th of July weekend shootings, report says - CBS News

If you're completely ignorant of U.S. history, economics, sociology, etc., then sure, it's "very sad and hard to comprehend." Otherwise, it's business as usual in this country since about the late sixties.

[Ace Rothstein]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

You casually say this and don't realize that homicides in Chicago have been cut in half since 1990, and homicides in the country as a whole have decreased at only a slightly less rapid rate.

That's fine if you want to argue that the "anti-violence groups" aren't responsible for any of this decrease (I'd probably agree with you). But who is responsible?

The end of the crack epidemic and increased incarceration.

[tribecavsbrowns]

^I agree.

[readdit]

To the people making excuses that it's "only parts of chicago" that are that violent does that really make things that much better? It's like if you have an infection on your foot and try to ignore it because it's only one of your body parts that is messed up.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by readdit

To the people making excuses that it's "only parts of chicago" that are that violent does that really make things that much better? It's like if you have an infection on your foot and try to ignore it because it's only one of your body parts that is messed up.

I agree with your overall sentiment for the most part, but the analogy is a bad one. Your foot is a part of you and it's hard to live your life without noticing it. If you're living in Lincoln Park, there's a pretty high chance that Englewood is not part of your life at all and you can ignore it without it affecting the quality of your life really.