Typical response to the violence in Chicago neighborhoods. (upper-class, condo)

[Chicago60614]

I felt so awful for the girl killed at the bus stop (well obviously still do), but I swear there's always the follow up like in that article with the:

She's only 20 years old, has a 3 year old, 2 year old, 1 year old, isn't married, and the kids are in foster care because of a "mishap".

Cleaning up the violence is an immediate priority, but you have to get to the root of the social issues if you're ever going to stem off violence without an armed police presence to just prevent it.

[lenniel]

I think there are a few things plaguing the black community.
1) too many of their hero's or providers of inspiration are thugs themselves (gangste rap, wannabe rapper athletes, etc).
2) too many of the mouthpieces for the black community are too afraid to address the real issue (other than Bill Cosby). yes, poverty, education, jobs, etc are the results, but what is the cause? That's what they need to tackle.
3) There's no stigma or shame in having children when you're not married, don't have a job and don't have an education. These girls where it like a badge of honor without considering the consequences, figuring someone will help care for the children.
4) The teen preganancy issue needs to have the gloves taken off and faced head on, early in the schooling. Both boys and girls.

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by lenniel

I think there are a few things plaguing the black community.

4) The teen preganancy issue needs to have the gloves taken off and faced head on, early in the schooling. Both boys and girls.

I'd love to see an end to the failure of abstinence-only education and provide better access to abortion clinics for teens.

[cubssoxfan]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

I'd love to see an end to the failure of abstinence-only education and provide better access to abortion clinics for teens.

Why not start with available, no-questions asked, birth control first??!!

[noid_1985]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

I know the location of the meeting is an easy populist critique, but in all reality, I don't see how being closer to a few vacant lots and boarded up buildings would change anything.

For one it would cost the tax payers less money..

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by cubssoxfan

Why not start with available, no-questions asked, birth control first??!!

That'd be good as well.

[sharebear63]

I don't support abortion, but I understand that it can be an option, (not a form of birth control); but I personally favor mandatory sterilization at some point for some people. I work in the criminal justice system and really do believe that at some point people should not have the right to reproduce, particularly when they have no means to support the children, are heavily involved in the drug culture, spend a lot of time in jail. etc. I know this sounds awful, and I am not saying this towards any specific race, or socio-economic group, but bringing a child into a world living a life filled with poverty, violence and drugs (generation after generation) is horrible.

[noid_1985]

Originally Posted by sharebear63

I don't support abortion, but I understand that it can be an option, (not a form of birth control); but I personally favor mandatory sterilization at some point for some people. I work in the criminal justice system and really do believe that at some point people should not have the right to reproduce, particularly when they have no means to support the children, are heavily involved in the drug culture, spend a lot of time in jail. etc. I know this sounds awful, and I am not saying this towards any specific race, or socio-economic group, but bringing a child into a world living a life filled with poverty, violence and drugs (generation after generation) is horrible.

so who would decide that a person should be mandatorily sterilized?? Please don't say the courts

[Wingfoot]

Originally Posted by lenniel

Obama/Holder: "Here's some money, we don't really care what you do with it, but it makes us look good to give you some money to tackle youth violence in Chicago. There won't be any oversight as to how it's used so we assume it will go to a Daley friend"

When will the black community talk about what the real issues are, which in my opinion is the lack of respect for the traditional 2 parent family and where people have jobs before they start having kids. Where it's not OK to have babies when you're 15, 16, 17 years old and then rely on a 30 year old grandparent to take care of them. There's a change in culture that's needed, not another peace rally, anti-violence vigil, speech by Jessie, Al, Daley or Flager.

If you read the paper today, you saw a 20 year old was killed by a drive by at a bus stop on the west side. As you read further, you read that she had 3 kids! You may ask "what's one have to do with the other?" Well, if you don't think they do have something to do with one another, you don't get it.

Black folk neither created or maintain the ghettoes that have fostered this dysfunction.
Remember the old joke where the guy asked the fish, "Hows the water?" and the fish replied "Water,what water?"

The same thing would apply is asking the average white american about racism, it so throughly permeates or history and culture we are oblivious to it.
It's formed the very categories we think in .

No insult to any particular person meant.

[lenniel]

Originally Posted by sharebear63

I don't support abortion, but I understand that it can be an option, (not a form of birth control); but I personally favor mandatory sterilization at some point for some people. I work in the criminal justice system and really do believe that at some point people should not have the right to reproduce, particularly when they have no means to support the children, are heavily involved in the drug culture, spend a lot of time in jail. etc. I know this sounds awful, and I am not saying this towards any specific race, or socio-economic group, but bringing a child into a world living a life filled with poverty, violence and drugs (generation after generation) is horrible.

It doesn't 'sound awful', it sounds very sensical. Unfortunately, there aren't enough people in power with the nuts to state the same thing and then do something about it.

Here's a bet I'm willing to make: If you took the total population of Cook County jail (black, white, hispanic) and determined what percentage of the inmates were born to single mothers and/or teen mothers and/or had multiple siblings with different fathers, the percentage would be 85% or higher. Unfortunately, it's probably even higher for the black incarcerated group. What's that tell you?