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Mr5150....
My condolence to you kind Sir...... for the loss of your dear Mother !!
Our prayers for you and family that God's comfort and peace which passes all understanding be poured upon you and all during this time of your great sorrow....
May God's love rest upon you !!!
Mr5150.... My condolence to you kind Sir...... for the loss of your dear Mother !! Our prayers for you and family that God's comfort and peace which passes all understanding be poured upon you and all during this time of your great sorrow.... May God's love rest upon you !!!
Now that's a really nice post. Thanks.
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But last night I came up with another question. It was said by some UR folk that those who die without Christ will sleep in the grave (soul sleep as taught by 7th day adventism and JWs)
Is there any any support in the NT for Soul Sleep?
i was never a big fan of hope,although everyone hopes for somethin,its just that i think Gods Will will be done !!!no-matter how much i hope somethin will happen dosent actually mean its goin to
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
Exactly dobeable,
That is why the Concordant Literal translates "elpizo" as "expect" and "expectation."
We don't just hope Christ will return, we expect He will. It is sure and certain.
Just because you expect something to happen doesn't mean it will, either..
Neither hoping nor expecting (which are synonyms) means that they will happen. We hope something is true, or we expect something is true; but whether it is or not remains to be seen..
We trust in Him that His mercy is as great as He declares it to be.. this is the same as hoping or expecting; we will know for sure when we see Him face to face..
Now that's a really nice post. Thanks.
*************
But last night I came up with another question. It was said by some UR folk that those who die without Christ will sleep in the grave (soul sleep as taught by 7th day adventism and JWs)
Is there any any support in the NT for Soul Sleep?
Mr5150,
what do you hope for?
Personally, I hope in the mercy and love of the Lord to cover all sin and all which would separate all mankind from Him..
I hope in His Power to heal and restore the nations and usher all into His marvellous Kingdom!
My mother died without accepting Jesus. As a matter of fact she didn't even like God. Was an atheist/agnostic who wanted no part of God.
So what's the fate of people like her? As in before she is reconciled to God.
How is she gonna spend the next 100 or 10,000 years?
RESPONSE:
From Lumen Gentium, Documents of Vatican II
"Nor shall divine providence deny the assistance necessary for salvation to those who, without any fault of theirs, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God, and who, not without grace, strive to lead a good life."
Now that's a really nice post. Thanks.
*************
But last night I came up with another question. It was said by some UR folk that those who die without Christ will sleep in the grave (soul sleep as taught by 7th day adventism and JWs)
Is there any any support in the NT for Soul Sleep?
John 11
11 After he had said this, he went on to tell them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up.†12 His disciples replied, “Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.†13 Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep.
14 So then he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead, 15 and for your sake I am glad I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.â€
1 Cor 15:12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised.
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20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallenasleep.
In many places in scripture death is likened to sleep. Consider Paul was talking about the resurrection of the dead, not the resurrection of the body. Also note sometimes scripture is talking about spiritual death and physical death ie. let the dead bury the dead... so that does confuse matters sometimes. However, I believe it is the truth that death is like sleep. Otherwise why would we need to be resurrected? Resurrection means to give life. If we are already alive/conscious, we wouldn't need resurrecting.
PS, in case you were wondering I'm not getting my belief about death being unconsiousness from the JWs or SDAs. I believe scripture supports it... IMHO the reason many do not believe it because it contradicts the idea of people going to hell immediately at death.
Just because you expect something to happen doesn't mean it will, either..
Neither hoping nor expecting (which are synonyms) means that they will happen. We hope something is true, or we expect something is true; but whether it is or not remains to be seen..
We trust in Him that His mercy is as great as He declares it to be.. this is the same as hoping or expecting; we will know for sure when we see Him face to face..
Blessings,
Brian
Brian,
Personally, I don't just hope I will be saved, I have a glorious expectation in that I KNOW without doubt, I expect I will be saved.
Do you think God just hopes what He is doing with the universe will come about or do you think He expects it will per this:
Romans 8:20-21 CLV "For to vanity was the creation subjected, not
voluntarily, but because of Him Who subjects it, in expectation (21)
that the creation itself, also, shall be freed from the slavery of corruption
into the glorious freedom of the children of God."
Now that's a really nice post. Thanks.
*************
But last night I came up with another question. It was said by some UR folk that those who die without Christ will sleep in the grave (soul sleep as taught by 7th day adventism and JWs)
Is there any any support in the NT for Soul Sleep?
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Originally Posted by legoman
PS, in case you were wondering I'm not getting my belief about death being unconsiousness from the JWs or SDAs. I believe scripture supports it... IMHO the reason many do not believe it because it contradicts the idea of people going to hell immediately at death.
I think it's interesting that people just discard beliefs because some "cult" believes it. Do all cults believe the sky is blue? Do they believe in gravity? Do they believe in monsters? Maybe they believe in all 3, but that doesn't stop me from believing in gravity and a blue sky.
Originally Posted by Mr5150
Now that's a really nice post. Thanks.
*************
But last night I came up with another question. It was said by some UR folk that those who die without Christ will sleep in the grave (soul sleep as taught by 7th day adventism and JWs)
Is there any any support in the NT for Soul Sleep?
The Bible does not say "soul sleep" so I don't believe in it.
Soul can stand for the whole person in some verses or it can stand for the feelings in other verses.
Christ told the disciples to destroy their soul. He meant their enjoyment of pleasures in this life. If they did they would get their soul (enjoyment of pleasures) in the next life.
The soul is never said to be immortal or eternal.
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i was never a big fan of hope,although everyone hopes for somethin,its just that i think Gods Will will be done !!!no-matter how much i hope somethin will happen dosent actually mean its goin to
