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Old 04-22-2011, 10:22 AM
 
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I've asked this question many times before in different places and have yet to receive a comment. It's a simple question: Can God make a stone so heavy that not even he can lift it? Please incude a short explanation with your theory.
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Old 04-22-2011, 04:18 PM
 
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I've asked this question many times before in different places and have yet to receive a comment. It's a simple question: Can God make a stone so heavy that not even he can lift it? Please incude a short explanation with your theory.
A better question would be: Why would God want to make a stone so heavy that not even He can lift it?
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Old 04-22-2011, 08:05 PM
 
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I would say He could if He wanted to.
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Old 04-22-2011, 08:29 PM
 
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Actually the answer is He can't. This is really a trick question in that the question itself is inherently contradictory.

God cannot do the illogical.

In the same way He cannot make 2+2=5 or create a square triangle.

God cannot make something both be and not be what it is. This is the logical law of identity. A square is a square - it has 4 sides. It is not a triangle. A triangle has 3 sides.

God cannot make Himself be 'not God', which is what the question implies. Suppose God makes a stone infinitely big, God would still be able to lift it, because He is God.

With a different application of this, we can use this to explain why evil must exist at least temporarily. If we presuppose God is teaching us a full understanding of what love is, we must therefore understand compassion, as it is a part of love. But in order to understand compassion there must be some understanding of evil & suffering, as compassion is caring for and being sympathetic to someone who has suffered evil. Likewise for other attributes of love, such as patience, kindness, forgiveness, endurance. Therefore the problem of evil is solved. QED.


JMHO Of course I could be wrong on all this... but I don't think I am...
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Old 04-22-2011, 11:34 PM
 
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That makes sense, Lego. I figured He could do whatever he desires, but on the other hand I see what you mean that a triangle is always going to be a triangle and God is always going to be God.
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Old 04-23-2011, 12:46 AM
 
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Can a man tie his hands? Yes. Is God Greater than man? Yes.
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Old 04-23-2011, 08:42 AM
 
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A better question would be: Why would God want to make a stone so heavy that not even He can lift it?
Fine, your question is better. Now back to mine. Can he do it or not?
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Old 04-23-2011, 08:43 AM
 
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I've asked this question many times before in different places and have yet to receive a comment. It's a simple question: Can God make a stone so heavy that not even he can lift it? Please incude a short explanation with your theory.
Shadow, I have seen your question before. I could not answer at that time because I needed to think about it. I finally decided the answer is 'Yes'.

From reading the bible, I have observed that god is good at making things (like the universe) but not so good at doing things. For example, when he wanted the Midianites killed off (see the first sentence in Numbers 31) he told the Israelites to do it, I assume because it would have been difficult for him to do it himself.

If he could not kill off a few thousend people by himself, he probably would not be able to life a truly huge stone.
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Old 04-23-2011, 08:44 AM
 
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I would say He could if He wanted to.
Okay, if you're right, I've just proved that your god is not omnificent.
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Old 04-23-2011, 08:47 AM
 
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Actually the answer is He can't. This is really a trick question in that the question itself is inherently contradictory.

God cannot do the illogical.

In the same way He cannot make 2+2=5 or create a square triangle.

God cannot make something both be and not be what it is. This is the logical law of identity. A square is a square - it has 4 sides. It is not a triangle. A triangle has 3 sides.

God cannot make Himself be 'not God', which is what the question implies. Suppose God makes a stone infinitely big, God would still be able to lift it, because He is God.

With a different application of this, we can use this to explain why evil must exist at least temporarily. If we presuppose God is teaching us a full understanding of what love is, we must therefore understand compassion, as it is a part of love. But in order to understand compassion there must be some understanding of evil & suffering, as compassion is caring for and being sympathetic to someone who has suffered evil. Likewise for other attributes of love, such as patience, kindness, forgiveness, endurance. Therefore the problem of evil is solved. QED.


JMHO Of course I could be wrong on all this... but I don't think I am...


Your answer seems to be all over the place and avoiding my questtion. You did address it one time when you admitted he is not omnificent by saying he can't make a stone too heavy for him to lift.
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